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I heard today that AR is going to have a 60 day season. They still dont know how many birds.
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goosebruce
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Just see how many ducks ms has if ark season is closed. Every wonder why ms ducks show up on thanksgiving for the first push? Cause its the lucky few that survived the first 4 days of arkansas season. Thats why those ducks are there for ms opening day, and often already spooky. Ive seen a push of ducks at my place in east arkansas, day after reelfoot opens several times... Pressure moves birds a lot of times. Before you go shorting the seasons thinking it will put birds over your blocks, you might think it all the way through.
Last year, it didnt snow. Birds didnt come down. After the seasons closed up north, there was NOTHING to move the birds. Hunting somewhere else doesnt ness take birds away from you, it often times pushed birds TO you.
Like I said commerical kill is a southern thing. The instances you mentioned are considered southern....
Ducks per hunter average... You still don't understand average. 1.6 to 2.1 per trip. So you kill yur malls with 2 doubles every morning from 2 flights. Great... That means one thing. You are ABOVE average. A 3 duck limit will not signicantly change the numbers of ducks killed, when the highest flyway average I have ever seen written is 2.1 ducks per hunter.. And that study was private & public lands with the dreaded motos. What a 3 duck limit WILL do will significately decrease you, the above average hunter (Not being smart ass, remember the first post on this thread I made, that all numbers are to be belived true... my come from fws, yurs comes for you, I'm looking at yours as fact) and what you kill. It wont put more ducks in the skies above you. Remember, the average is 2.1 birds a man. That means the average trip would still be way below a limit flyaway wide. Hell, thats a tainted study, the real number the feds banter is 1.6, so that means the average trip would result in 1/2 a limit. Thats why I said, look at numbers... Limits wont signifcantly change how many ducks are killed, days do.
The canvasback season was almost closed last year. In fact, it was shortened in a special save the season gig. The fed models said with 60 days, too many cans would be killed, so close the season. But the fed models said with a 45 day season, a can season would be fine.... Both with a limit of 1 a day. The limit couldnt be lowered more than one, but the days allowed to hunt could.
And ducks not killed have nothing to do with the ducks over your blocks anyhow. I can remember the feds telling us there werent any ducks. 35 million fall flight, lowest in 50 years of counting (a 1/3 of what there was last year). 35 days, 3 ducks. And we killed ducks from first bell to last. Killed ducks, and really felt bad about it. Shiit, there aint no ducks. But we had ducks everywhere.
Last year was a good year. Way above long term average. Lower than year before, but year before dont mean poop compared to LTA. 35% above lta is still a mess of ducks, thats why we got 60 & 6. And guess what, it sucked. Cause they didnt come. And we didnt kill a lot. Neither did any state in the flyway. Every state in flyway had less ducks killed than the year before, even with a few islated hotspots, every state was down. If thats the case, then why arent there MORE ducks this year? Cause, rain makes ducks, and the breeding areas didnt get the rain. All those ducks that missed a steel barragey last year, dont mean nothing to this years flight. When there are fewer places to breed, there are fewer ducks. As long as you got nuff brood stock to fill up places you got to breed, you have reached max capaticy on gorwing ducks. Thats why ffi maxxed at about 105, and will never go any higher, until large scale programs (i.e. like predator control) make a difference. The habitat was there, the rain was there, and we still maxxed out at 105.
I understand WHY you want whut you asked... but Im telling you, it wont signifcantly help you, and you & me are the very ones it will make a difference too.
OS, bwhahaha. travis
Last year, it didnt snow. Birds didnt come down. After the seasons closed up north, there was NOTHING to move the birds. Hunting somewhere else doesnt ness take birds away from you, it often times pushed birds TO you.
Like I said commerical kill is a southern thing. The instances you mentioned are considered southern....
Ducks per hunter average... You still don't understand average. 1.6 to 2.1 per trip. So you kill yur malls with 2 doubles every morning from 2 flights. Great... That means one thing. You are ABOVE average. A 3 duck limit will not signicantly change the numbers of ducks killed, when the highest flyway average I have ever seen written is 2.1 ducks per hunter.. And that study was private & public lands with the dreaded motos. What a 3 duck limit WILL do will significately decrease you, the above average hunter (Not being smart ass, remember the first post on this thread I made, that all numbers are to be belived true... my come from fws, yurs comes for you, I'm looking at yours as fact) and what you kill. It wont put more ducks in the skies above you. Remember, the average is 2.1 birds a man. That means the average trip would still be way below a limit flyaway wide. Hell, thats a tainted study, the real number the feds banter is 1.6, so that means the average trip would result in 1/2 a limit. Thats why I said, look at numbers... Limits wont signifcantly change how many ducks are killed, days do.
The canvasback season was almost closed last year. In fact, it was shortened in a special save the season gig. The fed models said with 60 days, too many cans would be killed, so close the season. But the fed models said with a 45 day season, a can season would be fine.... Both with a limit of 1 a day. The limit couldnt be lowered more than one, but the days allowed to hunt could.
And ducks not killed have nothing to do with the ducks over your blocks anyhow. I can remember the feds telling us there werent any ducks. 35 million fall flight, lowest in 50 years of counting (a 1/3 of what there was last year). 35 days, 3 ducks. And we killed ducks from first bell to last. Killed ducks, and really felt bad about it. Shiit, there aint no ducks. But we had ducks everywhere.
Last year was a good year. Way above long term average. Lower than year before, but year before dont mean poop compared to LTA. 35% above lta is still a mess of ducks, thats why we got 60 & 6. And guess what, it sucked. Cause they didnt come. And we didnt kill a lot. Neither did any state in the flyway. Every state in flyway had less ducks killed than the year before, even with a few islated hotspots, every state was down. If thats the case, then why arent there MORE ducks this year? Cause, rain makes ducks, and the breeding areas didnt get the rain. All those ducks that missed a steel barragey last year, dont mean nothing to this years flight. When there are fewer places to breed, there are fewer ducks. As long as you got nuff brood stock to fill up places you got to breed, you have reached max capaticy on gorwing ducks. Thats why ffi maxxed at about 105, and will never go any higher, until large scale programs (i.e. like predator control) make a difference. The habitat was there, the rain was there, and we still maxxed out at 105.
I understand WHY you want whut you asked... but Im telling you, it wont signifcantly help you, and you & me are the very ones it will make a difference too.
OS, bwhahaha. travis
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O.Salty 1,........yeah, I'm up to a little 'catch-and-release' duck hunting, myself. [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] I just need some batteries [img]images/smiles/icon_mad.gif[/img]......no,no...... [img]images/smiles/icon_redface.gif[/img].......for the camcorder! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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Camcorder HELL I wanna KILL sumthin! 
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Oh, yeah [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img].....I hear ya! [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]...... Uh......well, since there's gonna be SO MANY ducks to shoot (I mean, 'swat') 'AT'....I don't see why we don't just pick-out the ones with bands! [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_rolleyes.gif[/img]
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Awe now you wouldn't wanna do THAT to yourself I got the highest band collection stats on the planet!!!!
I threw away a band I found in an old tackle box the other day. Don't even remember where it came from but I sure do enjoy tossin them in the garbage!!!!!!!
I shot two ducks one year, and one of them was banded. Some boys right round this forum saw me do it, in fact Hammer BECAME Hammer, originally The Hammer Of GOD by the mouth of the much Respected WU, on that very hunt. I shot a nice double mottled duck one with a band and Hammer made us all pull out the telescopes and sed:
"See dat one flying around the moon? Watch DIS!!"
And from the stratosphere a snow goose falls WHOAAAAAAAA promopting WU to explain
"THE HAMMER OF GOD!!!!!!"
HE HE HE
That was a good hunt. It was enough that I could smile all the way home thinkin bout if I jest dont kill no mo ducks this year, I got me uh 50/50 split on bands and you aint NEVER goona git no better than THAT unless you shoot ONE and it is banded and you QUIT!
So I got me a 50% year, even though it twernt but two ducks, it's still 50%!!!!
It's a sickness, I have an excuse!
[ July 29, 2002: Message edited by: Old Salty ]
I threw away a band I found in an old tackle box the other day. Don't even remember where it came from but I sure do enjoy tossin them in the garbage!!!!!!!
I shot two ducks one year, and one of them was banded. Some boys right round this forum saw me do it, in fact Hammer BECAME Hammer, originally The Hammer Of GOD by the mouth of the much Respected WU, on that very hunt. I shot a nice double mottled duck one with a band and Hammer made us all pull out the telescopes and sed:
"See dat one flying around the moon? Watch DIS!!"
And from the stratosphere a snow goose falls WHOAAAAAAAA promopting WU to explain
"THE HAMMER OF GOD!!!!!!"
HE HE HE
That was a good hunt. It was enough that I could smile all the way home thinkin bout if I jest dont kill no mo ducks this year, I got me uh 50/50 split on bands and you aint NEVER goona git no better than THAT unless you shoot ONE and it is banded and you QUIT!
So I got me a 50% year, even though it twernt but two ducks, it's still 50%!!!!
It's a sickness, I have an excuse!
[ July 29, 2002: Message edited by: Old Salty ]
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Don Miller
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I support a 5 day 30 duck limit. As long as they open the season on Monday and close it on Friday. LESS WOULD BE MORE!
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Pick your shots and be henless please.
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I support a kenneth thompson type season..
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That all depends Don Miller, there were 5 days when I didn't even see 30 ducks last year.
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peewee,
That is not a good thing at all. I hope your season is better this year.
That is not a good thing at all. I hope your season is better this year.
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goosebruce
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Man, you just pull numbers out of yur ass, without even thinking bout whut you wrote...
The years we had 3 ducks, 30 days, the harvest up north stayed the SAME. When the seasons got longer, and limits higher, the harvest up north stayed the same. The kill in the south increased... Go check the freggin harvest stats... yur logic is assbackward... the only ducks saved will be from OUR guns. Northern harvest stays realitvely the same, short or long. Southern harvest increases with the length of the season, and has for 30 years. Go look up harvest stats broken down by states, and see what Im saying.
Averages are just that. The longer the season is open the more likey a guy is to pull a 6 duck day is the way you think averages work? HELLO, its an average. So the longer its open, the more bust hunts the same average guy will have. Season long, flyway wide, public and private, you, me, and everyone on this fourm, every swinging dick in mn, EVERYONE IN THE MS FLYWAY, will average 1.6 to 2.1 ducks per trip. That is a stat. Not a number pulled from thin air. More days will kill signifcantly more ducks, more limit will not.
There are folks who gonna hunt 2 days and a year, and folks that gonna hunt everyday. Folks that wont shoot a box, and folks that'll crank out 5 cases. And guess what, they all average out to 1.6 to 2.1 ducks per trip per man. And the more they go hunting (i.e. longer season) the more ducks overall they will kill. The limit wont come into play for the vast majority of those duck hunters EVER, so its a nonissue in saving ducks. But how many times afield they go, IS an issue in how many ducks are killed. The northern states are goning to kill about the same amount of ducks no matter how the season is set up, or how long, or the limit. Yur proposals arent saving any ducks from the northen guns, because they don't take advantage of the longer seasons and higher limits NOW.
If you can't understand me, go do some research. Go see the charts on kill figures. Check out the fws stats. The moto stats. The MWA stats. Go check those things out. Read them, study them. I've read those things, I understand how the kill is distuributed, and used their figures to aruge against them, when they talk about greedy southern duck hunters (of which Im proud to be). Yur proposals are short sited, by not thinking outside of what you can see. Yur thinking cause yur neighbors kill so many ducks, if they didnt you'd have more. And that aint how it works.
Moral of this story. if it rains, we'll have $#!+ loads of ducks come south, and we should get every single minute of duck season the resource can stand. If it dont rain, the seasons get shorter. The south is going to kill more ducks than the north, in either condtion. And anything done to lower duck kill numbers has to be done in DAYS, not limits. travis
The years we had 3 ducks, 30 days, the harvest up north stayed the SAME. When the seasons got longer, and limits higher, the harvest up north stayed the same. The kill in the south increased... Go check the freggin harvest stats... yur logic is assbackward... the only ducks saved will be from OUR guns. Northern harvest stays realitvely the same, short or long. Southern harvest increases with the length of the season, and has for 30 years. Go look up harvest stats broken down by states, and see what Im saying.
Averages are just that. The longer the season is open the more likey a guy is to pull a 6 duck day is the way you think averages work? HELLO, its an average. So the longer its open, the more bust hunts the same average guy will have. Season long, flyway wide, public and private, you, me, and everyone on this fourm, every swinging dick in mn, EVERYONE IN THE MS FLYWAY, will average 1.6 to 2.1 ducks per trip. That is a stat. Not a number pulled from thin air. More days will kill signifcantly more ducks, more limit will not.
There are folks who gonna hunt 2 days and a year, and folks that gonna hunt everyday. Folks that wont shoot a box, and folks that'll crank out 5 cases. And guess what, they all average out to 1.6 to 2.1 ducks per trip per man. And the more they go hunting (i.e. longer season) the more ducks overall they will kill. The limit wont come into play for the vast majority of those duck hunters EVER, so its a nonissue in saving ducks. But how many times afield they go, IS an issue in how many ducks are killed. The northern states are goning to kill about the same amount of ducks no matter how the season is set up, or how long, or the limit. Yur proposals arent saving any ducks from the northen guns, because they don't take advantage of the longer seasons and higher limits NOW.
If you can't understand me, go do some research. Go see the charts on kill figures. Check out the fws stats. The moto stats. The MWA stats. Go check those things out. Read them, study them. I've read those things, I understand how the kill is distuributed, and used their figures to aruge against them, when they talk about greedy southern duck hunters (of which Im proud to be). Yur proposals are short sited, by not thinking outside of what you can see. Yur thinking cause yur neighbors kill so many ducks, if they didnt you'd have more. And that aint how it works.
Moral of this story. if it rains, we'll have $#!+ loads of ducks come south, and we should get every single minute of duck season the resource can stand. If it dont rain, the seasons get shorter. The south is going to kill more ducks than the north, in either condtion. And anything done to lower duck kill numbers has to be done in DAYS, not limits. travis
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Travis...i dont think you understand averages...0 ducks one day and 6 the next yields an average of 3...The more days the season is open the more likely a hunter will get a 6 bird day, thus increasing his average....Shorter seasons mean fewer days to get the average up and fwere dead ducks in total...
YOU SAY YOU WERE COVERED UP WITH DUCKS DURING THE 30 DAY/3 DUCK SEASONS. I'M SAYING THE REASON IS BECAUSE THE SEASON WAS SHORTER AND THE BAG LIMIT WAS REDUCED SO THERE WERE FEWER DUCKS KILLED NORTH OF US...BEING AT THE LOW END OF THE FLYWAY, WE BENEFITTED.
YOU SAY YOU WERE COVERED UP WITH DUCKS DURING THE 30 DAY/3 DUCK SEASONS. I'M SAYING THE REASON IS BECAUSE THE SEASON WAS SHORTER AND THE BAG LIMIT WAS REDUCED SO THERE WERE FEWER DUCKS KILLED NORTH OF US...BEING AT THE LOW END OF THE FLYWAY, WE BENEFITTED.
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