Not trying to start a fight and this is always a tough subject, but the word on the turnroads of the Miss Delta is that DU can go straight to hell.
Another source who claimed to be hooked into to some real information said that DU is the southern duck hunters worst enemy these days.
Myself personally, I saw some things or ways that they were making money here in the Delta that I didn't like too much, mostly because the work was too expensive and it's long term maintenance costs were astronomical, and it didn't have to be that way. I was deeply dissapointed in what I saw by their hand. Shortly afterwards a pipe fabrication company became a corporate sponsor of DU and the pieces began to fall in place to a puzzle that I really wished I hadn't figured out.
And I also think that when DU told Americas Duck Hunters they would do their conservation work them, and we took the oppourtunity because we have other things to do, they did us a great disservice. We have conservation to do right here under our noses, and when they told us they would handle it, we stopped trying to do it ourselves and that isn't what should have happened. It's only partially their fault, it is ours as well, but we fell in this trap and we suffer from it and don't realize it.
Feeding ducks in the south is what is important. Down here, it's feed that constitutes conservation work.
I feed ducks, but you also have to harvest them in a conservatory mode to make it actually work like conservation is supposed to. You have to manage your harvest.
But I can still shoot ducks just about whenever I want to. To me thats what a hunter is supposed to be doing. (Oh Christ I dont mean it THAT way, you know what I mean) He pulls ducks with food, shoots some, and let's them have the rest of it so they will return. When you ask somebody is he a conservationist, if he does this, then he should say YES. He is exploiting the system in a constructive and conservative way. He always takes less than he helps, and thats what you have to do in order to make a positive impact in conservation.
You just make more than you need thats all, and you dont shoot them until there are none left to use it.
I realize that nothing is perfect in life even good conservation organizations. Life is tough, so is staying business.
But like I said, on the turnroads of the Delta, the men who really count, the land owners and the leasing farmers, they wouldnt SPIT on DU at this point, and that signifies a big change.
When you lobby to divert their farm funds to conservation, so you can then turn around and suck it out of the WRP program, they aint too happy about it, and they aint stupid about what is going on either.
Some of us KNOW whats going on, and it aint purty either. I think DU needs to let that WRP work be done by local non profits and keep our WRP money in this state where it belongs. Let the locals make a profit and turn it into more conservation in our back yards.
Especially considering the quality of the work I have seen via DU. We can do better than that, with home grown boys right here at the house. And I think we should be allowed the chance to bid for those contracts. But with DU, you can forget it, they have their hand in that till and they will lobby and turn their backs on the farmers to keep it there.
That is really saying something but I dont know exactly what it is...........
I just wish it were better..........
[ July 29, 2002: Message edited by: Old Salty ]
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I will also say that men who contribute heavily to DU are some of our best assets.
I don't give to orgs because I give in the fields. Once I realized the difference,
I could see this thing well enough to say what I'm about to say so it makes sense.
Let's say you give DU between $250 and $500 a year.
Let's just say you got lucky and can give them $500 just to keep it even numbers.
If you can find 10 men, and believe me, you can find them, that can do the same thing, you can lease a piece of dirt from a farmer that will hold ducks right here in your back yard, where you need them, BUT in order for it be conservation, you can't use them.
There is NO DIFFERENCE in how much money you spent, but there is a BIG difference in it's impact and how it influences YOUR hunting.
Creating "refuge" conditions like this, and peppering them throughtout the Delta can produce a significant impact in over all Delta usage. If we did this ENOUGH, it would change the quality of the hunting for the better IN OUR BACK YARDS, while we do the conservation work OURSELVES, by simply paying the money to SOMEBODY ELSE.
God knows a farmer could use a couple extra bucks these days.
I hope that you men are really abreast of what actually happens in the nesting grounds to understand that DU and everybody else put together cannot protect your duck numbers.
Only mother nature can do that. Their contributions in the north are so fractional that it would have to get to dire straights before they actually saved the day and it would be too late when that happened.
Mother nature controls the ducks not DU or anybody else.
With that in mind, why dont you help her right here in your back yard, with the same amount of money, and feed some ducks and leave them alone?
The leave them alone part is the "conserving" part and you would soon see that conservation is a little harder than you think it is.. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Think about locking up 2,000 acres RIGHT NEXT to your regular hunting lease with your DU money......
HHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
You see, they take our money, but they also take our ducks.................
And we let them too [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]
[ July 29, 2002: Message edited by: Old Salty ]
I don't give to orgs because I give in the fields. Once I realized the difference,
I could see this thing well enough to say what I'm about to say so it makes sense.
Let's say you give DU between $250 and $500 a year.
Let's just say you got lucky and can give them $500 just to keep it even numbers.
If you can find 10 men, and believe me, you can find them, that can do the same thing, you can lease a piece of dirt from a farmer that will hold ducks right here in your back yard, where you need them, BUT in order for it be conservation, you can't use them.
There is NO DIFFERENCE in how much money you spent, but there is a BIG difference in it's impact and how it influences YOUR hunting.
Creating "refuge" conditions like this, and peppering them throughtout the Delta can produce a significant impact in over all Delta usage. If we did this ENOUGH, it would change the quality of the hunting for the better IN OUR BACK YARDS, while we do the conservation work OURSELVES, by simply paying the money to SOMEBODY ELSE.
God knows a farmer could use a couple extra bucks these days.
I hope that you men are really abreast of what actually happens in the nesting grounds to understand that DU and everybody else put together cannot protect your duck numbers.
Only mother nature can do that. Their contributions in the north are so fractional that it would have to get to dire straights before they actually saved the day and it would be too late when that happened.
Mother nature controls the ducks not DU or anybody else.
With that in mind, why dont you help her right here in your back yard, with the same amount of money, and feed some ducks and leave them alone?
The leave them alone part is the "conserving" part and you would soon see that conservation is a little harder than you think it is.. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Think about locking up 2,000 acres RIGHT NEXT to your regular hunting lease with your DU money......
HHHHHHHMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
You see, they take our money, but they also take our ducks.................
And we let them too [img]images/smiles/icon_confused.gif[/img]
[ July 29, 2002: Message edited by: Old Salty ]
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Verdana, Helvetica, sans-serif">quote:</font><HR>Let's just say you got luck and can give them $500 just to keep it even numbers.
If you can find 10 men, and believe me, you can find them, that can do the same thing, you can lease a piece of dirt from a farmer that will hold ducks right here in your back yard, where you need them, BUT in order for it be conservation, you can't use them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
If they did that they wouldn't get them neat little stickers to put on their trucks so they can be cool. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
If you can find 10 men, and believe me, you can find them, that can do the same thing, you can lease a piece of dirt from a farmer that will hold ducks right here in your back yard, where you need them, BUT in order for it be conservation, you can't use them. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>
If they did that they wouldn't get them neat little stickers to put on their trucks so they can be cool. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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Old Salty,
I agree with you on most of your points. I myself give to DU every year but sometimes I question where the money goes and what it is used for. I thought that DU was a volunteer organization but with the DU workers here in the state making more money than most of us do and driving around in big fancy trucks I have to question again where the money actually goes. Maybe this year I'll be rethinking my donation.
I agree with you on most of your points. I myself give to DU every year but sometimes I question where the money goes and what it is used for. I thought that DU was a volunteer organization but with the DU workers here in the state making more money than most of us do and driving around in big fancy trucks I have to question again where the money actually goes. Maybe this year I'll be rethinking my donation.
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All i can say is you don't see Delta Waterfowl with a fancy hunting show "preserving ducks" you see them in the woods and on the back roads doing work in the SOUTH and working with our universities. They are my pick for the future [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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To me, this whole thing just seems to be a matter of us not understanding the benifit of doing conservation ourselves.
How hard can it be to form a group with that simple amount of money that it takes to do one project?
Of course there is no law that says you cant shoot the dickens out of it once you build it but it would be nice to give in whole to the philosophy and do your harvesting somewhere else. But it's not mandatory, but it IS good conservation.
Listen, with DU's overhead, they can't TOUCH your impace even if they used the same amount of money right next to you.
They can't TOUCH IT, not even CLOSE.
Dollar for dollar a network of these type small groups could put a DRESS on DU in the world of conservation in your back yard.
A PINK DRESS
Man if we turbo charged DWF with the same amount of funds we give to DU, you would SEE the difference.
Dollar for dollar, they just can't TOUCH IT, and they have no business telling ANY OF US that our dollars are being spent as well as it can be done for conservation because it simply is not TRUE.....
It's just not TRUE
Being dedicated to conservation is different than being a dedicated DU supporter.
Consrvation and it's variables change just like everything else does. Whoever can deliver the most bang for the buck is where the money needs to be pointed.
If thats small groups of men leasing up parcels and getting DWF to assist in the development then so be it. I don't care what it is, all I care about is that our money does the most good that it can do, and if we can personally find enjoyment in the process then that's the icing on the cake.
All I can think about is DWF sitting there like a shiny size large steam engine on a platform that can burp out duckholes faster than I can burp a coca cola burp, and thats FAST.
Put the fire to it, you can SPIT duckholes.
BAN -- BAM -- BAM
It's like a MACHINE.
We should use it!!!!!!!!!!!
And if nothing else, for God's sake at least HELP THEM don't ya think?
$50 bucks?
DONE!!!!!!!!!!!
Where's my raffel tickets?????? [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
How hard can it be to form a group with that simple amount of money that it takes to do one project?
Of course there is no law that says you cant shoot the dickens out of it once you build it but it would be nice to give in whole to the philosophy and do your harvesting somewhere else. But it's not mandatory, but it IS good conservation.
Listen, with DU's overhead, they can't TOUCH your impace even if they used the same amount of money right next to you.
They can't TOUCH IT, not even CLOSE.
Dollar for dollar a network of these type small groups could put a DRESS on DU in the world of conservation in your back yard.
A PINK DRESS
Man if we turbo charged DWF with the same amount of funds we give to DU, you would SEE the difference.
Dollar for dollar, they just can't TOUCH IT, and they have no business telling ANY OF US that our dollars are being spent as well as it can be done for conservation because it simply is not TRUE.....
It's just not TRUE
Being dedicated to conservation is different than being a dedicated DU supporter.
Consrvation and it's variables change just like everything else does. Whoever can deliver the most bang for the buck is where the money needs to be pointed.
If thats small groups of men leasing up parcels and getting DWF to assist in the development then so be it. I don't care what it is, all I care about is that our money does the most good that it can do, and if we can personally find enjoyment in the process then that's the icing on the cake.
All I can think about is DWF sitting there like a shiny size large steam engine on a platform that can burp out duckholes faster than I can burp a coca cola burp, and thats FAST.
Put the fire to it, you can SPIT duckholes.
BAN -- BAM -- BAM
It's like a MACHINE.
We should use it!!!!!!!!!!!
And if nothing else, for God's sake at least HELP THEM don't ya think?
$50 bucks?
DONE!!!!!!!!!!!
Where's my raffel tickets?????? [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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Think about this. Some guy reading this gives to DU but he cant afford no damn $500 bucks and thats a lot of us.
But that don't matter if you are building a conservation project. Understand that?
Think about it. If you don't have to worry about how many guys are actually going to SHOOT a place, then the need for each guy to give a LOT of money for a LOT of space completely looses it's significance, and leases suddenly become within reach.
You gave your $100 bucks, or your $25, and you can come to this duckhole anytime you want to and look out across there and see what it's doing.
That is some real time gratification that is worth the money like no DU raffel ever thought about being.
You guys around here could all pitch in whatever you could. I'll pitch in too hell I dont give money to stuff but I would give to THAT I promise you. We all know how life is and we can't all do things on the same level. And your contributions are IMPORTANT shouldn't be counted that way either, not by amount but by COMMITEMENT. You give what you can, nobody ever expected anyone to hurt themselves to protect what we love unless it needs it, and it don't need it.
The guy who gave $25 can come to this place and look at his investment mixed right in with the guy that gave $500, they all work together and each one of them got more than they paid for.
You can't beat that with a stick buddy.
You guys should pitch in and get you a piece of dirt from someone, explore the ropes at DWF to see what you can get assistance with, and build a conservation project that you guys can call your own, and that you can gather at and marvel in what is within our reach if we just put conservation in the fore front as it should be and go kick ass on sum ducks someplace ELSE!!!!!!!!!!
With 1000 members here I betcha yall could absolutely shock yourselves with what you could accomplish doing this.
You have this MARVELOUS COMMUNICATION TOOL to take the organization problems down to NOTHING, yall can talk in public with the group about what is going on, it would be great fodder for the forum during the off season as if there actually was such a thing.
I wish I could give to you guys the feeling that you get when you stand and watch a haze of ducks that are there because you made it happen.
It is the true gift of conservation if you ask me. It is extremely rewarding and fullfilling. It makes you feel as though you are TRULY earning dem damn ducks.
And that changes your whole attitude about hunting them because NOW you are more than a pretty face with decals all over everything.
It builds appreciation for what this is all about, as you participate along the entire length of the chain and can come and see just exactly what that looks like in real ducks that will talk to you even if you blow acrylic [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]
If nothing else yall could support DWF as a WHOLE, pitch in whatever yall can, and then ask for one membership for it as the boys at MSDUCKS.COM and tell them we just wanna thank yall for all your help with dem damn ducks!
And the ball starts rolling down YOUR alley!
See how simple this is??????
Put your money where you can hear the THUMP when it hits the water!!!!!!!
And I'm not saying this because I have ducks holes to lease. I DO have duckholes, but I would not offer them in something like this and nobody else should either. All the problems start when this kind of favoritism gets started and it should be quelled from the start.
I'm saying it because I know it can be done because I do all this duck stuff. I don't want anything to do with this for money. If I helped on it I would help for free and I gaurantee you I know a couple ugy SOB's in here that wouldnt miss werkin up a sweat on something like that for hell or high water.
This is not a sales pitch, Im just using what I know to try and help you guys see that you can do things that you can REALLY get a rush off of and enjoy them whole heartedly as you do it.
Let GC write up some kinda lease contract, and let him organize the money, or let Judge keep the money and make GC do all the work [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Become a REAL GROUP, because when you do that, guess what? You can qualify for non-profit tax exemption to boot.
Use the resources of the GROUP right here at this forum. Some guys are attorneys, some guys are farmers, we got everything we need in here, everybody do thier part and you could slap this thing together so cheap that dollar for dollar, you would leave DU and everybody else in the -- DUST --
I can't oversee something like this, this is not me trying to make myself ANYTHING.
I am a worker. Im the one who gets in the ditches and does beaver stuff and looks at pipes and controls water and all the work stuff. Thats what I like to do and I dont need nuttin for it. I would help until it got done even if I really didn't need to because this is what I do, it's my part of the cycle, and given the chance Im gona DO IT.
And I gaurantee you Dan and some others would too. He is a WORKER, he likes to work, and so do I.
Everybody do their part, give to the cause and you would be amazed at what a group this size, tapped into the right resources could accomplish.
[ July 29, 2002: Message edited by: Old Salty ]
But that don't matter if you are building a conservation project. Understand that?
Think about it. If you don't have to worry about how many guys are actually going to SHOOT a place, then the need for each guy to give a LOT of money for a LOT of space completely looses it's significance, and leases suddenly become within reach.
You gave your $100 bucks, or your $25, and you can come to this duckhole anytime you want to and look out across there and see what it's doing.
That is some real time gratification that is worth the money like no DU raffel ever thought about being.
You guys around here could all pitch in whatever you could. I'll pitch in too hell I dont give money to stuff but I would give to THAT I promise you. We all know how life is and we can't all do things on the same level. And your contributions are IMPORTANT shouldn't be counted that way either, not by amount but by COMMITEMENT. You give what you can, nobody ever expected anyone to hurt themselves to protect what we love unless it needs it, and it don't need it.
The guy who gave $25 can come to this place and look at his investment mixed right in with the guy that gave $500, they all work together and each one of them got more than they paid for.
You can't beat that with a stick buddy.
You guys should pitch in and get you a piece of dirt from someone, explore the ropes at DWF to see what you can get assistance with, and build a conservation project that you guys can call your own, and that you can gather at and marvel in what is within our reach if we just put conservation in the fore front as it should be and go kick ass on sum ducks someplace ELSE!!!!!!!!!!
With 1000 members here I betcha yall could absolutely shock yourselves with what you could accomplish doing this.
You have this MARVELOUS COMMUNICATION TOOL to take the organization problems down to NOTHING, yall can talk in public with the group about what is going on, it would be great fodder for the forum during the off season as if there actually was such a thing.
I wish I could give to you guys the feeling that you get when you stand and watch a haze of ducks that are there because you made it happen.
It is the true gift of conservation if you ask me. It is extremely rewarding and fullfilling. It makes you feel as though you are TRULY earning dem damn ducks.
And that changes your whole attitude about hunting them because NOW you are more than a pretty face with decals all over everything.
It builds appreciation for what this is all about, as you participate along the entire length of the chain and can come and see just exactly what that looks like in real ducks that will talk to you even if you blow acrylic [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]
If nothing else yall could support DWF as a WHOLE, pitch in whatever yall can, and then ask for one membership for it as the boys at MSDUCKS.COM and tell them we just wanna thank yall for all your help with dem damn ducks!
And the ball starts rolling down YOUR alley!
See how simple this is??????
Put your money where you can hear the THUMP when it hits the water!!!!!!!
And I'm not saying this because I have ducks holes to lease. I DO have duckholes, but I would not offer them in something like this and nobody else should either. All the problems start when this kind of favoritism gets started and it should be quelled from the start.
I'm saying it because I know it can be done because I do all this duck stuff. I don't want anything to do with this for money. If I helped on it I would help for free and I gaurantee you I know a couple ugy SOB's in here that wouldnt miss werkin up a sweat on something like that for hell or high water.
This is not a sales pitch, Im just using what I know to try and help you guys see that you can do things that you can REALLY get a rush off of and enjoy them whole heartedly as you do it.
Let GC write up some kinda lease contract, and let him organize the money, or let Judge keep the money and make GC do all the work [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Become a REAL GROUP, because when you do that, guess what? You can qualify for non-profit tax exemption to boot.
Use the resources of the GROUP right here at this forum. Some guys are attorneys, some guys are farmers, we got everything we need in here, everybody do thier part and you could slap this thing together so cheap that dollar for dollar, you would leave DU and everybody else in the -- DUST --
I can't oversee something like this, this is not me trying to make myself ANYTHING.
I am a worker. Im the one who gets in the ditches and does beaver stuff and looks at pipes and controls water and all the work stuff. Thats what I like to do and I dont need nuttin for it. I would help until it got done even if I really didn't need to because this is what I do, it's my part of the cycle, and given the chance Im gona DO IT.
And I gaurantee you Dan and some others would too. He is a WORKER, he likes to work, and so do I.
Everybody do their part, give to the cause and you would be amazed at what a group this size, tapped into the right resources could accomplish.
[ July 29, 2002: Message edited by: Old Salty ]
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And just remember this idea aint no "new money' that you gotta cough up. It's the money you would divert to something else in the same interest. It's just a different way of contributing.
Give the notion a good name, give it some heart, and you got yourself good old southern fried homeboy conservation that is blackin the sky in MISSISSIPPI for a change.
You beginning to see what contributing vicariously to conservation has done for us?
ONE STEP in this direction and it will fall into place I gaurantee you. The necessary variables are THERE.
You just have to stand, say "Let's do this" among your peers, and hope like hell it gets a spark.
And thats all I did with this book I just wrote, and I did it because I believe in it.
No skin off YOUR back throw the dog a bone and see if he can Gnaw that sucker!!!
Give GC a REAL JOB!!!!!!!
[img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Start SIMPLE
FIRST - Create A Membership for msducks at DWF.
That puts you on the map, it's real, so what can do with this resource anyway?
And from there it's the backside of the HILL!
We can just never quite get to the top, organize and plunk it down somewher at once, and take that last step!
I can't SAY:
"Let's contribute for an msducks.com forum membership to DWF do I hear a YAH?"
Because thats not my place here and I know that. I wouldn't say it, because I don't want it to fall defeated because I stood in the way. I have more sense than that. I know who I am, I'm the guy in the ditch yelling give me more chain I bout got this thing set.
The men with admistrative abilites, that is YOUR job, and be ready with suggestions of how we could do before you say it.
Plan to succeed, it dont take that much with this stuff because the trail is already there, all you need is the money for cab fare.
Everybody else investigae Delta Wildlife Foundation and see what they are all about so you have some confidence in the ability to procure resources without spending too much to get them.
Once you become a solidified voice in this manner, you resources double in value if you can use DWF to help you.
Understand that?
I think you guys have what it takes.
Stand up and be counted as conservationists as you deserve.
Give the notion a good name, give it some heart, and you got yourself good old southern fried homeboy conservation that is blackin the sky in MISSISSIPPI for a change.
You beginning to see what contributing vicariously to conservation has done for us?
ONE STEP in this direction and it will fall into place I gaurantee you. The necessary variables are THERE.
You just have to stand, say "Let's do this" among your peers, and hope like hell it gets a spark.
And thats all I did with this book I just wrote, and I did it because I believe in it.
No skin off YOUR back throw the dog a bone and see if he can Gnaw that sucker!!!
Give GC a REAL JOB!!!!!!!
[img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
Start SIMPLE
FIRST - Create A Membership for msducks at DWF.
That puts you on the map, it's real, so what can do with this resource anyway?
And from there it's the backside of the HILL!
We can just never quite get to the top, organize and plunk it down somewher at once, and take that last step!
I can't SAY:
"Let's contribute for an msducks.com forum membership to DWF do I hear a YAH?"
Because thats not my place here and I know that. I wouldn't say it, because I don't want it to fall defeated because I stood in the way. I have more sense than that. I know who I am, I'm the guy in the ditch yelling give me more chain I bout got this thing set.
The men with admistrative abilites, that is YOUR job, and be ready with suggestions of how we could do before you say it.
Plan to succeed, it dont take that much with this stuff because the trail is already there, all you need is the money for cab fare.
Everybody else investigae Delta Wildlife Foundation and see what they are all about so you have some confidence in the ability to procure resources without spending too much to get them.
Once you become a solidified voice in this manner, you resources double in value if you can use DWF to help you.
Understand that?
I think you guys have what it takes.
Stand up and be counted as conservationists as you deserve.
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Check this out, to get into the President's Circle in DWF, you have to cough up $2,500 bucks.
That's $2.50 cents per member here.
Now you don't have to intervine in ANYTHING that goes on at DWF just because you made it to the highest contribution level, and because it's a joint effort you shouldn't anyway.
But it STILL COUNTS.
And what that means is when GC calls Gayden and says the group found a piece of dirt to work over for refuge, he is gonna put that on his list of things to do as soon as he can.
When you open doors in conservation, and conservationists see money actually going to conservation, they will work their asses off to help you do it. That is a fact.
DWF has quail programs and nesting boxes programs and all this stuff is the kind of thing that we need to bringing our kids to, and teaching them to learn to help with the cause.
Here's a hammer, if your thumb turns blue it will be gone in about three weeks.........
I am sure that (but not really) that Gayden wouldnt mind checking in here and telling us all whats up thats interesting at DWF occasionlly.
It's a good thing, but the moment this stuff on these forums becomes more than talk, participation dissapears just like batteries at Wally World [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
This is YOUR BACK YARD ya know!!!!!
That's $2.50 cents per member here.
Now you don't have to intervine in ANYTHING that goes on at DWF just because you made it to the highest contribution level, and because it's a joint effort you shouldn't anyway.
But it STILL COUNTS.
And what that means is when GC calls Gayden and says the group found a piece of dirt to work over for refuge, he is gonna put that on his list of things to do as soon as he can.
When you open doors in conservation, and conservationists see money actually going to conservation, they will work their asses off to help you do it. That is a fact.
DWF has quail programs and nesting boxes programs and all this stuff is the kind of thing that we need to bringing our kids to, and teaching them to learn to help with the cause.
Here's a hammer, if your thumb turns blue it will be gone in about three weeks.........
I am sure that (but not really) that Gayden wouldnt mind checking in here and telling us all whats up thats interesting at DWF occasionlly.
It's a good thing, but the moment this stuff on these forums becomes more than talk, participation dissapears just like batteries at Wally World [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
This is YOUR BACK YARD ya know!!!!!
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I think a MSDucks membership in Delta would be a pretty decent thing. The Refuge site has its own pothole in the Delta pothole program, seems like we could support one, too. I dunno what that costs. Micah would have to say its Kosher with him. He owns the joint. If Micah likes the idea, HE can figure out how to administrate it. [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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By the way, I am sure Micah would appreciate anyone who has not done so to donate the the web server fund.
Things Changing For Conservation
Very interesting points. While I have supported DU for a long time, I think that they have tripped over their shoelaces on some issues, particularly the last Farm Bill. I understand the anger that the farmers had over the draft legislation, although it is my understanding that the final version came out OK for all concerned. If someone was trying to take money out of my pocket, I would be upset, too. DU has always held itself out as a "habitat organization", which is fine. The issue that most people seem to have a problem with boils down to the fact that wintering habitat is different from summering habitat. The ducks go north to raise little ducks and while they are there, they have what they need in the way of food. Cover for nesting is the critical issue up there. No, I will not get into hen houses, predator control or the other hot points. They leave (at least they are supposed to) because the ice and snow covers their water and food. DU does alot better in Canada than I can because I don't have any land, friends or political influence in Canada. For that reason if nothing else, I will continue to support DU. However, that is only one side of the equation, because the ducks do not stay up north year round. We have the wintering ground in the Delta, no question about that. I am informed that DU has done some projects there, though I have not seen them. Old Salty makes a point that DU might well consider acting on, which is to get involved with the duck-feeding end of things. The ducks are here to eat, and the more food they have, the better off they will be while they are in this part of the world. DU needs to take a good look at assisting landowners with food source development. We can never have too much in the way of flooded areas and I am all for that, but this is an opportunity that DU ought to give a hard look.
Things Changing For Conservation
Speaking of site administration, I'd probably help with the forum fund if it just said something else besides THIS at the top of it!
HERE.... In a gesture of peace that is about as rosey as I'm ever gonna make it, take this one instead and give the boys some damn identity for a change!
Or if you don't like then don't I will make you sumthing else up but NO TWIRLIES or batteries on it NO WAY!!!!!!!!! [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
I named the thing the exact same thing that the one thats in that folder now is named.
So all you have to do is save that image, then use FTP to stick in in this folder:
http://www.ducksouth.com/ubb/
And it will rewrite the one with the new one.
POOF instant SOME kind of identity!
Attention all benili shooters, thats what a real gun looks like by the way
[img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]
ENJOY! or---- DONT!!
HERE.... In a gesture of peace that is about as rosey as I'm ever gonna make it, take this one instead and give the boys some damn identity for a change!
Or if you don't like then don't I will make you sumthing else up but NO TWIRLIES or batteries on it NO WAY!!!!!!!!! [img]images/smiles/icon_wink.gif[/img]
I named the thing the exact same thing that the one thats in that folder now is named.
So all you have to do is save that image, then use FTP to stick in in this folder:
http://www.ducksouth.com/ubb/
And it will rewrite the one with the new one.
POOF instant SOME kind of identity!
Attention all benili shooters, thats what a real gun looks like by the way
[img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]
ENJOY! or---- DONT!!
Things Changing For Conservation
DU does winter habitat work here and they make good money doing it too. You see, they say "Give us money we will build you habitat"
Then they take YOUR money, and go to WRP and get IT's money for doing the work.
You understand that?
If you are getting PAID to do it, then why are we giving you OUR money?
Then when you read their proclamations of what all they have done for you in your back yard, they just show you what they got paid twice to do. You paid them, and the WRP paid them.
And you cant use ANY of it......
Do you actually think that their numbers of acres are correct when they claim this much habitat?
It's a 2,000 acre WRP project. DU comes in and gobbles up a bunch of money pushing dirt and installing some pipes.
Then they report to you what they have accomplished.
Do they report the 10 acre hole they created?
Or do they report 2000 acres?
let's just assume for a moment they are doing some of both becuase that is what it most likely going on. (I didn't say that)
So HOW MUCH of it is going on?
You see, it's the same thing as what the CEO's have been doing. Exact same game.
You the investor gets burned but your contributions payout is so arbitrary you can't tell the difference.
So how much stuff do they REALLY AND TRULY maintain? Not the 2,000 number, how many ACTUAL ACRES OF HABITAT do they control?
Got a guess? Me neither, and they probably dont know either. Throw your money on the red slot gentlemen because I'm uh bettin it's a lot less than they say it is....
I know you are loyal to DU and from a nesting habitat perspective I've seen less productive loyalties simply because of where we live.
We don't live there, just like you said. We can't do anything there, and that is when a conservation program can assist us in helping up THERE, and thats what DU DOES.
Down here, man we don't need DU to do a THING, thats like askin your friend to take care of your WIFE!!!!! [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]
We have orgs here, in place, and chugging right up the conservation trail right here at home, and for winter habitat based offerings, they are the most efficient tools you can get.
DWF doesnt take YOUR MONEY, and then turn around and charge the land owner for pipes or seed. They give them the help like they are SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
DU charges big money for their WRP projects, making money on both ends of the stick and in between as well.
In that lay the difference of the over production of habitat with the same amount of money.
They take money OUT of the system, DWF puts it back INTO the system, right here in your back yard.
We don't need to DU to do this, their overhead gobbles up our pennies, because we dont need that overhead here. We LIVE here, we don't need a middle man to do this for us.
That is one of the biggest misconceptions about conservation that I know of. We already have people and non profit orgs right here under our noses to do this, DWF is one of them, they run a hot boiler and there aint no point in throwin logs in any other one when you consider contributing to a southern oriented conservation effort.
I don't give to DU because they don't hold enough nesting habitat to matter. Thats just how I feel about it. Add to that they steal from our WRP coffer and thats it, we can do this ourselves now give us those contracts and let us use our own money on our own conservation because it's OURS plain and simple.
It's just the best way to spend a buck down here to the desired end, thats all.
Believe me, DU isnt going anywhere, they are piped into the Govt Jaugernaut and they are in to stay, dont you worry about DU they dont need any help believe me.
[ July 29, 2002: Message edited by: Old Salty ]
Then they take YOUR money, and go to WRP and get IT's money for doing the work.
You understand that?
If you are getting PAID to do it, then why are we giving you OUR money?
Then when you read their proclamations of what all they have done for you in your back yard, they just show you what they got paid twice to do. You paid them, and the WRP paid them.
And you cant use ANY of it......
Do you actually think that their numbers of acres are correct when they claim this much habitat?
It's a 2,000 acre WRP project. DU comes in and gobbles up a bunch of money pushing dirt and installing some pipes.
Then they report to you what they have accomplished.
Do they report the 10 acre hole they created?
Or do they report 2000 acres?
let's just assume for a moment they are doing some of both becuase that is what it most likely going on. (I didn't say that)
So HOW MUCH of it is going on?
You see, it's the same thing as what the CEO's have been doing. Exact same game.
You the investor gets burned but your contributions payout is so arbitrary you can't tell the difference.
So how much stuff do they REALLY AND TRULY maintain? Not the 2,000 number, how many ACTUAL ACRES OF HABITAT do they control?
Got a guess? Me neither, and they probably dont know either. Throw your money on the red slot gentlemen because I'm uh bettin it's a lot less than they say it is....
I know you are loyal to DU and from a nesting habitat perspective I've seen less productive loyalties simply because of where we live.
We don't live there, just like you said. We can't do anything there, and that is when a conservation program can assist us in helping up THERE, and thats what DU DOES.
Down here, man we don't need DU to do a THING, thats like askin your friend to take care of your WIFE!!!!! [img]images/smiles/icon_eek.gif[/img]
We have orgs here, in place, and chugging right up the conservation trail right here at home, and for winter habitat based offerings, they are the most efficient tools you can get.
DWF doesnt take YOUR MONEY, and then turn around and charge the land owner for pipes or seed. They give them the help like they are SUPPOSED TO BE DOING.
DU charges big money for their WRP projects, making money on both ends of the stick and in between as well.
In that lay the difference of the over production of habitat with the same amount of money.
They take money OUT of the system, DWF puts it back INTO the system, right here in your back yard.
We don't need to DU to do this, their overhead gobbles up our pennies, because we dont need that overhead here. We LIVE here, we don't need a middle man to do this for us.
That is one of the biggest misconceptions about conservation that I know of. We already have people and non profit orgs right here under our noses to do this, DWF is one of them, they run a hot boiler and there aint no point in throwin logs in any other one when you consider contributing to a southern oriented conservation effort.
I don't give to DU because they don't hold enough nesting habitat to matter. Thats just how I feel about it. Add to that they steal from our WRP coffer and thats it, we can do this ourselves now give us those contracts and let us use our own money on our own conservation because it's OURS plain and simple.
It's just the best way to spend a buck down here to the desired end, thats all.
Believe me, DU isnt going anywhere, they are piped into the Govt Jaugernaut and they are in to stay, dont you worry about DU they dont need any help believe me.
[ July 29, 2002: Message edited by: Old Salty ]
Things Changing For Conservation
Watch this:
Our WMA's are being used more and more by more and more people. The internet, Dept Of Tourism, and the ability to acquire information about them has broght on the expected increase in usage.
This isn't going away. The seasons get short or go down, they will be worse. At some point the ability to use them will oversaturate the resource enough that it is ALWAYS oversaturated and if you have been watching out of state plates at the WMA's you know that this is happening at an alarming rate. It's real, and it isn't going to do anything but get bigger. That is a fact of life hunting the Miss Delta and it isn't going to change. The next step is usage management in the form of a drawing for the spots on a regular basis because there are too many people to hunt.
That happens in many states already.
The WRP program is behind the boys with DIRT 100% and paying DU and whoever else can get some work from the NRCS to drop duckholes in the ground on WRP projects.
For the guys with dirt, THEY got their ducks COVERED.
For the guys from out of state, THEY got their ducks covered with Federal Funding to pay for our WMA's
So where does that leave YOU?????
You see, what you are looking at is conservation being played on a collosal scale.
If you want to win, you have to play the game.
Want ducks? Well play the conservation game and GET you some.
Uncle Same aint lookin out for you, they got the whole country to worry about.
WRP aint lookin out for you either.
Those are both conservation oriented and they are successfully eating up all the ducks and doing with them what THEY want to.
YA DIG?
You want ducks?
Well then play the GAME.....
Gonna gripe about public until they start a lottery for spots????
You dont think it's going any other direction do you?
GPS cords for sale all over the place, you kiddin right?
Want ducks?
Well TAKE THEM
For God's sake give the man who cannot afford to play the oppourtunity to contribute and to enjoy this sport.
Once WMA's are saturated, what do you think thats going to do to leases?
The only way out is the game of conservation and it's a damn good game too.
They aint gonna protect the homeboys, just ask the men in Arkansas.
Protect yourself or crash and burn........
Our WMA's are being used more and more by more and more people. The internet, Dept Of Tourism, and the ability to acquire information about them has broght on the expected increase in usage.
This isn't going away. The seasons get short or go down, they will be worse. At some point the ability to use them will oversaturate the resource enough that it is ALWAYS oversaturated and if you have been watching out of state plates at the WMA's you know that this is happening at an alarming rate. It's real, and it isn't going to do anything but get bigger. That is a fact of life hunting the Miss Delta and it isn't going to change. The next step is usage management in the form of a drawing for the spots on a regular basis because there are too many people to hunt.
That happens in many states already.
The WRP program is behind the boys with DIRT 100% and paying DU and whoever else can get some work from the NRCS to drop duckholes in the ground on WRP projects.
For the guys with dirt, THEY got their ducks COVERED.
For the guys from out of state, THEY got their ducks covered with Federal Funding to pay for our WMA's
So where does that leave YOU?????
You see, what you are looking at is conservation being played on a collosal scale.
If you want to win, you have to play the game.
Want ducks? Well play the conservation game and GET you some.
Uncle Same aint lookin out for you, they got the whole country to worry about.
WRP aint lookin out for you either.
Those are both conservation oriented and they are successfully eating up all the ducks and doing with them what THEY want to.
YA DIG?
You want ducks?
Well then play the GAME.....
Gonna gripe about public until they start a lottery for spots????
You dont think it's going any other direction do you?
GPS cords for sale all over the place, you kiddin right?
Want ducks?
Well TAKE THEM
For God's sake give the man who cannot afford to play the oppourtunity to contribute and to enjoy this sport.
Once WMA's are saturated, what do you think thats going to do to leases?
The only way out is the game of conservation and it's a damn good game too.
They aint gonna protect the homeboys, just ask the men in Arkansas.
Protect yourself or crash and burn........
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