Which e-collar do ya'll use/recomend. I am going to be needing one in the near future 9I get to pick up my new pup around Oct 1.)and thought I would get some input a head if time.
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Trey
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try to train with-out one.... seen alot of pups and older dogs ruint with the shock collar... some people hate Robos and i hate collars... just my opinion....
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Judge,
do you think that is mainly because people rely to heavly on the collar and utilize it as a punishment tool in leu of a training tool? I have always heard that before you put it on the dog, strap it to your leg and test it out yourself. If you would not proceed past a certain level of intensitity, then you should not go past that with your dog.
do you think that is mainly because people rely to heavly on the collar and utilize it as a punishment tool in leu of a training tool? I have always heard that before you put it on the dog, strap it to your leg and test it out yourself. If you would not proceed past a certain level of intensitity, then you should not go past that with your dog.
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No, its because most of those dogs 'ruint' with a collar had their ass fried when their dumbass owners went to a collar as a last resort (..of course if they had actually trained what they wanted dog to know in the first place...).
A collar is NOT a tool of last resort. Its a commitment to a way of training that is the ultimate way to communicate with your dog. It doesnt work right when you say, well, if I can't git duckmuncher to do this, Im gonna have to put a collar on him... It doesn't work well when you say, Im gonna put collar on ole goosebreath this morning, and wait till he blows me off. That aint the gig. The gig is to always have a means to instantly & effiectively communicate and correct your dog. The nanosecond it happens. Not 2 minutes later. Not when you get him back in. The instant it happens. Always. Everytime.
Now if a dog is properly educated to the task at hand, condtioned to the collar, and its always used in a fair & consistant manner, how could that ruin a dog?
Sometimes I go days without a collar correction. But every time I need to correct & communicate with my dog, I have that tool. Every time. Does that mean my dog won't perform with the collar? Of course not. But training is just that, training, why would I handicapp myself with not having a tool I might need? Is that fair to a dog? No way. Dogs aren't allowed to wear ecollars in hunt tests. Since rowdy is presently 12 for 12 in tests, including two titles, without so much as a cast refusal as a negative, I think its safe to say a collar trained dog WILL perform without the collar, especially if other forms of correction are used at approrate times.
There are only 2 brands of collars to seriously consider. Dogtra & Tritronics. Personally I like the dogtras, my new digital dogtra has a transmitter the size of a cell phone, I wear on a laynard around my neck. No antenna on collar. All the heat & range you'd need for ANY dog. 60 levels of heat, although mine rarely goes past 15. Ck out dobbsdogs.com for dogtra's, or collarclinic.com for a refursbished tt at a deal. travis
A collar is NOT a tool of last resort. Its a commitment to a way of training that is the ultimate way to communicate with your dog. It doesnt work right when you say, well, if I can't git duckmuncher to do this, Im gonna have to put a collar on him... It doesn't work well when you say, Im gonna put collar on ole goosebreath this morning, and wait till he blows me off. That aint the gig. The gig is to always have a means to instantly & effiectively communicate and correct your dog. The nanosecond it happens. Not 2 minutes later. Not when you get him back in. The instant it happens. Always. Everytime.
Now if a dog is properly educated to the task at hand, condtioned to the collar, and its always used in a fair & consistant manner, how could that ruin a dog?
Sometimes I go days without a collar correction. But every time I need to correct & communicate with my dog, I have that tool. Every time. Does that mean my dog won't perform with the collar? Of course not. But training is just that, training, why would I handicapp myself with not having a tool I might need? Is that fair to a dog? No way. Dogs aren't allowed to wear ecollars in hunt tests. Since rowdy is presently 12 for 12 in tests, including two titles, without so much as a cast refusal as a negative, I think its safe to say a collar trained dog WILL perform without the collar, especially if other forms of correction are used at approrate times.
There are only 2 brands of collars to seriously consider. Dogtra & Tritronics. Personally I like the dogtras, my new digital dogtra has a transmitter the size of a cell phone, I wear on a laynard around my neck. No antenna on collar. All the heat & range you'd need for ANY dog. 60 levels of heat, although mine rarely goes past 15. Ck out dobbsdogs.com for dogtra's, or collarclinic.com for a refursbished tt at a deal. travis
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I concur with Goosebruce 100% on everything he said but, I am a TriTronics man. BUT, the Dogtra I had was an older model w/ annd antenna and the dog kept chewing it off. GunDog supply in Ridgeland usually has good deals on E COllars. That is where I got mine after searching the net. I don't know your experience level with an E Collar but there are a couple of rules I try and adhere to:
Never - Use it when you are mad at the dog
Never - Use it if the dog is not already trained on the command
ALWAYS - Use the lowest level of stimulation possible. You don't want the dog to bark you just want him to follow your command. I have only used the highest level 3 times that I can think of. One time my dog was about to run in front of a car, when I snake proffed him and when we were bird hunting and he chased a deer.
Finally, NEVER, EVER drop it overboard. That why I had to replace my DogTra.
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Never - Use it when you are mad at the dog
Never - Use it if the dog is not already trained on the command
ALWAYS - Use the lowest level of stimulation possible. You don't want the dog to bark you just want him to follow your command. I have only used the highest level 3 times that I can think of. One time my dog was about to run in front of a car, when I snake proffed him and when we were bird hunting and he chased a deer.
Finally, NEVER, EVER drop it overboard. That why I had to replace my DogTra.
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now there is two boys WHO KNOW HOW TO USE A COLLAR...... if you don't know, don't use it.... a correction tool only....
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how do you learn? watch someone who knows....... don't train yourself at the cost of a pup....
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how do you learn? watch someone who knows....... don't train yourself at the cost of a pup....
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Judge, I agree with you 100%, I am currently looking for a retriever club or a trainer in the Nashville area with whom I can volunteer just for that reason.
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good goose.
if you know how to use it, it is unbeatable.
you DONT learn how to use it by reading a book, you must get with someone that knows what they are doing and learn from that.i personaly have tri-tronics, but dogtra has come out with a good one in the last year, its holding up for the old pros that have used tritronics for years. plus its a little less in price, the water seal is very tight, which is vital with these things.
if you know how to use it, it is unbeatable.
you DONT learn how to use it by reading a book, you must get with someone that knows what they are doing and learn from that.i personaly have tri-tronics, but dogtra has come out with a good one in the last year, its holding up for the old pros that have used tritronics for years. plus its a little less in price, the water seal is very tight, which is vital with these things.
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look up a guy named TOMMY FAIRCHILD im not sure if he is from nashville but i know he's from around that area...i think he heads up the hunt test thats held at the percy priest wma in smyrna...there is also a field trial there each fall and spring...he is usually at both helping and all, but i think he leans towards the hunt test stuff more than field trials...either way he can get you moving in the right direction on the use of the collar. middle tenn retriever club , is the name of the club...i think...you can find a list of all/most clubs in you go to "working-retriever.com, is has a site on there to go to the list of clubs in the area, it usally give the officers of the club and phone numbers...that would be a good place to start.
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You have gotten some very sound advice from Goose and others here.
I have used an ecollar on my dog for a while now. Here are my rules for using an ecollar. Read, read,read, ask questions like you are doing here, talk to experts, watch dogs being trained by someone who "knows" what the hell they are doing. Never,ever get pissed at your dog and use the collar. Use the "lowest" setting possible. Try it out on your arm so you know what the dog feels, no joke, use a low setting of course.
Even though I have the collar on my dog at all times while hunting, I will only use it if I feel the dog is not listening and is in danger of being hurt or killed. In other words my collar is a tool that I use now, after having trained her in the various skills with and without a collar, only for the "protection of my dog".
Used properly an ecollar is a very valuable tool. Just remember that a dog can be easily ruined by a person who is not very well educated on it's proper use. Your dog should be one of your best friends. Respect your dog and use the collar sparingly.
Just my 2 cents. Good luck to you!!
I have used an ecollar on my dog for a while now. Here are my rules for using an ecollar. Read, read,read, ask questions like you are doing here, talk to experts, watch dogs being trained by someone who "knows" what the hell they are doing. Never,ever get pissed at your dog and use the collar. Use the "lowest" setting possible. Try it out on your arm so you know what the dog feels, no joke, use a low setting of course.
Even though I have the collar on my dog at all times while hunting, I will only use it if I feel the dog is not listening and is in danger of being hurt or killed. In other words my collar is a tool that I use now, after having trained her in the various skills with and without a collar, only for the "protection of my dog".
Used properly an ecollar is a very valuable tool. Just remember that a dog can be easily ruined by a person who is not very well educated on it's proper use. Your dog should be one of your best friends. Respect your dog and use the collar sparingly.
Just my 2 cents. Good luck to you!!
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have yall found the right size to fit that cat yet
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Thanks guys, I have found a local group here and I will start training with them after the Fourth of July. I just hope they have me ready by the time my pup gets here. I know it might sound crazy but I have been planning this for three years and know I just do not want to mess it up. The more I know the better off I will be.
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Trey
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Trey
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Way to go Cook!!! It seems you are on the right road to having a great dog. Good luck to you and pup!!!!!! [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img] [img]images/smiles/icon_biggrin.gif[/img]
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Just remember he's a puppy, dont expect the world from him too soon, make him have fun at what he's doing, then, he will become what you want.
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Hmmm, words of advice I would give someone in your place....
Spend 3X as much time on the not so fun yard stuff as you do the field stuff the first year. Take your time and do it right, there is no hurry to have a dog with holes in it. The field work will take care of itself, if your yard work is in place. Everyone wants to see their dogs go get stuff, and think that is training... well its not, training is just that, training. Always train with a specfic purpose, and FOR a specfic purpose, instead of trying to train on everything at once. Even in advanced training, your routine is constantly influenced by your dogs performance, and weaknesses. I leave the house everyday with what I want to do in my mind... I always know what Im going to work on that day, and set up for it. Always keep your standards, even if it means simplfying something. Better to do something simple well, than to do something hard $#!+. Dogs learn from success, and only do good work when they are confident.
A training group (or checking out hunt tests/ field trials) will be good to let you see what you are working for. Without an end in sight, you can't possbily see the big picture. The little things every first timer thinks can't be that important (i.e. running banks, noise, creeping, breaking, delivery to hand, always going) cause they are 'only going to have a hunting dog' (famous last words of a person who owns a piece of crap duckmuncher typically) soon loom large when you see people try to progress with their dogs, and can't get past these obstacals. You bought that dog with the ideal it was going to be the best dog you ever hunted with, train it that way and it will be. The first time you cop out and say, that doesn't matter, hes only a hunting dog, you just hindered your dog from ever being the best it can be.
Dog training is NOT hard. Sometimes its hard work. Sometimes its touchy. But its not hard. When you open the lines of communication, when a dog LEARNS to LEARN, a dog can be taught something quickly, a lot quicker than you can imagine. Unfourtantly, bad things are learned just as quick. never let a dog do ANYTHING you don't want it do as a habit. Never. Not once. If you want a dog on the couch, let him. If you don't, then NEVER let him. Not once. Not cause hes sick, or its cold, or hes just a puppy. Never. Rowdys NEVER been on a couch or bed, and you know what, he doesn't want to. Hell, he aint missing anything, cause hes never done it. In fact, you can't get him to get on a bed. he wont do it. (well, i could make him... but you cant talk him into it). Just because other dogs can, doesnt mean he feels left out he can't. Cause hes a dog, and dogs think like that. He doesnt break, cause he's never been allowed too. Or make noise. Never. Not because a test is hard, so I'll let him creep out. Or cause its duck hunting. Never. Not a bit. So guess what, he doesnt want to. And it doesnt bother him. I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but I sure as hell can figure out how a dog is thinking. Learn that skill, and you can teach a dog ANYTHING. Think like a dog, make it black and white so he'll understand, and you wont belive how easy it is to teach a dog anything you want. Lots of good books and videos out there. NONE of them will teach you that skill. NONE of them will even tell you that. NONE of them will teach you how to train. They might show you drills. They might show you a set up. But they wont show you how to READ a dog, and think like a dog. Thats why it's so advantagous to train with a group, so you'll glean that knowledge. That's why a group will accelrate how fast you learn. Your dog has a problem with a mark... you might learn something. But if 6 dogs have a problem, you ought to have it figgered out. If 5 don't and yours does, you know what to train on tommorrow.... Its just that simple... Think like a dog, and train smart. travis
Spend 3X as much time on the not so fun yard stuff as you do the field stuff the first year. Take your time and do it right, there is no hurry to have a dog with holes in it. The field work will take care of itself, if your yard work is in place. Everyone wants to see their dogs go get stuff, and think that is training... well its not, training is just that, training. Always train with a specfic purpose, and FOR a specfic purpose, instead of trying to train on everything at once. Even in advanced training, your routine is constantly influenced by your dogs performance, and weaknesses. I leave the house everyday with what I want to do in my mind... I always know what Im going to work on that day, and set up for it. Always keep your standards, even if it means simplfying something. Better to do something simple well, than to do something hard $#!+. Dogs learn from success, and only do good work when they are confident.
A training group (or checking out hunt tests/ field trials) will be good to let you see what you are working for. Without an end in sight, you can't possbily see the big picture. The little things every first timer thinks can't be that important (i.e. running banks, noise, creeping, breaking, delivery to hand, always going) cause they are 'only going to have a hunting dog' (famous last words of a person who owns a piece of crap duckmuncher typically) soon loom large when you see people try to progress with their dogs, and can't get past these obstacals. You bought that dog with the ideal it was going to be the best dog you ever hunted with, train it that way and it will be. The first time you cop out and say, that doesn't matter, hes only a hunting dog, you just hindered your dog from ever being the best it can be.
Dog training is NOT hard. Sometimes its hard work. Sometimes its touchy. But its not hard. When you open the lines of communication, when a dog LEARNS to LEARN, a dog can be taught something quickly, a lot quicker than you can imagine. Unfourtantly, bad things are learned just as quick. never let a dog do ANYTHING you don't want it do as a habit. Never. Not once. If you want a dog on the couch, let him. If you don't, then NEVER let him. Not once. Not cause hes sick, or its cold, or hes just a puppy. Never. Rowdys NEVER been on a couch or bed, and you know what, he doesn't want to. Hell, he aint missing anything, cause hes never done it. In fact, you can't get him to get on a bed. he wont do it. (well, i could make him... but you cant talk him into it). Just because other dogs can, doesnt mean he feels left out he can't. Cause hes a dog, and dogs think like that. He doesnt break, cause he's never been allowed too. Or make noise. Never. Not because a test is hard, so I'll let him creep out. Or cause its duck hunting. Never. Not a bit. So guess what, he doesnt want to. And it doesnt bother him. I'm not the smartest guy in the world, but I sure as hell can figure out how a dog is thinking. Learn that skill, and you can teach a dog ANYTHING. Think like a dog, make it black and white so he'll understand, and you wont belive how easy it is to teach a dog anything you want. Lots of good books and videos out there. NONE of them will teach you that skill. NONE of them will even tell you that. NONE of them will teach you how to train. They might show you drills. They might show you a set up. But they wont show you how to READ a dog, and think like a dog. Thats why it's so advantagous to train with a group, so you'll glean that knowledge. That's why a group will accelrate how fast you learn. Your dog has a problem with a mark... you might learn something. But if 6 dogs have a problem, you ought to have it figgered out. If 5 don't and yours does, you know what to train on tommorrow.... Its just that simple... Think like a dog, and train smart. travis
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