Doc,
Did I meet you at the DU shoot in May?
Making the switch...
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drakes head...prolly we were the hung over bachelor party
copied from the other site...now you know
After 30 years of supporting and volunteer work for Ducks Unlimited I and over 50 others hung their hat up today. I still believe DU makes a difference and the habitat and conservation work they do makes an important difference. However in recent years the paid staff at DU (office staff) have distanced themselves from the core grassroots volunteers who support this organization. They have no hands on contact with the ordinary average DU member. I have called them keyboard typing, pencil pushing dickheads for years now, probably why I am aint on none of thems christmas card list.. They exist only in their little cubicles in their lil ivory tower.
Several months ago DU office staff called a meeting for field staff (Regional Directors, etc.) and basically informed them that regional directors who did not produce $300K per their region and 4 new events could get there resumes' out and dust them off......we who knew of this in north Ms. never paid much attention as historically north Ms. is the major money producer anyway. Since we were above that mark and south Ms was below that mark, and knowing both regional directors, John Peeples with 10 years on the job & Billie Ray Fann with 2 years, we never even considered any DU staff would be stupid enough to do away with the senior, top money producer, top event producing RD over the lesser one.
Yesterday the deceiver (good name for the "turd-cutter") who is the RD's boss calls John & ask him to meet him in Grenada, handed him an envelope and stated "from a budget standpoint " Mississippi was going to a 1 RD system for the entire state and he was sorry but again from staff standpoint Billie Ray was considered "better for the state". Now they did not fire John like the rumors are circulating. They offered him another position in Minnesota or in Wisconsin knowing full well he would not relocate at his own expense when his family is in his hometown of Starkville, not to mention his wife has a helluva job with almost 20 years in, 3 kids in school , etc...
Talk about a day of infamy...............this will top the farm bill "@#$%#" that got Ms. DU in
the poor shape it is in now. Before the farm bill "@#$%#" Ms. was in the million dollar "club". After the farm bill "@#$%#", most farmers dropped support for DU like a hot potato and a lot still are that way. Well this lil "@#$%#" will make the farm bill $#!+ look like a sunday walk in the park.
Due to this as of tonight the latest count I have, the state chairman, his 2 succesors in line, 7 of the state officers, 5 state trustees/national delegates, 6 state council members, 4 district chairmen, 21 area chairmen and 15 committees/events have quit. In addition the 24 member shooting committee that does the $175,000 shoot in Tunica each fall now consists of 1 original charter member and 1 member who has attended the past 2 years. 4- $10,000 life sponsor pledges have been cancelled and even 1 guy who left $160,000 to DU in his will has terminated the agreement.
My phone hasn't stopped since yesterday evening...in talking to the Chairman of the board, President, 1st Vp, Sr. Vp & regional Vp I haven't found one that can give an explanation why this was allowed....
none of this will get John his job back as DU has a policy, when they "@#$%#" up dont admit it, whitewash it
all this probably dont mean squat to mosta ya, but ole John is one of my very best friends, a true friend, one that would give ya the shirt off his back without a second thought
I got this email that was sent to everyone connected to DU at a national level from our only female state officer, that pretty much sums up everyone feelings:
(letter removed because some are upset and that is not my intention, the text above speaks volumes without the letter)
North MS DU will never recover from this type of blow
the doc
copied from the other site...now you know
After 30 years of supporting and volunteer work for Ducks Unlimited I and over 50 others hung their hat up today. I still believe DU makes a difference and the habitat and conservation work they do makes an important difference. However in recent years the paid staff at DU (office staff) have distanced themselves from the core grassroots volunteers who support this organization. They have no hands on contact with the ordinary average DU member. I have called them keyboard typing, pencil pushing dickheads for years now, probably why I am aint on none of thems christmas card list.. They exist only in their little cubicles in their lil ivory tower.
Several months ago DU office staff called a meeting for field staff (Regional Directors, etc.) and basically informed them that regional directors who did not produce $300K per their region and 4 new events could get there resumes' out and dust them off......we who knew of this in north Ms. never paid much attention as historically north Ms. is the major money producer anyway. Since we were above that mark and south Ms was below that mark, and knowing both regional directors, John Peeples with 10 years on the job & Billie Ray Fann with 2 years, we never even considered any DU staff would be stupid enough to do away with the senior, top money producer, top event producing RD over the lesser one.
Yesterday the deceiver (good name for the "turd-cutter") who is the RD's boss calls John & ask him to meet him in Grenada, handed him an envelope and stated "from a budget standpoint " Mississippi was going to a 1 RD system for the entire state and he was sorry but again from staff standpoint Billie Ray was considered "better for the state". Now they did not fire John like the rumors are circulating. They offered him another position in Minnesota or in Wisconsin knowing full well he would not relocate at his own expense when his family is in his hometown of Starkville, not to mention his wife has a helluva job with almost 20 years in, 3 kids in school , etc...
Talk about a day of infamy...............this will top the farm bill "@#$%#" that got Ms. DU in
the poor shape it is in now. Before the farm bill "@#$%#" Ms. was in the million dollar "club". After the farm bill "@#$%#", most farmers dropped support for DU like a hot potato and a lot still are that way. Well this lil "@#$%#" will make the farm bill $#!+ look like a sunday walk in the park.
Due to this as of tonight the latest count I have, the state chairman, his 2 succesors in line, 7 of the state officers, 5 state trustees/national delegates, 6 state council members, 4 district chairmen, 21 area chairmen and 15 committees/events have quit. In addition the 24 member shooting committee that does the $175,000 shoot in Tunica each fall now consists of 1 original charter member and 1 member who has attended the past 2 years. 4- $10,000 life sponsor pledges have been cancelled and even 1 guy who left $160,000 to DU in his will has terminated the agreement.
My phone hasn't stopped since yesterday evening...in talking to the Chairman of the board, President, 1st Vp, Sr. Vp & regional Vp I haven't found one that can give an explanation why this was allowed....
none of this will get John his job back as DU has a policy, when they "@#$%#" up dont admit it, whitewash it
all this probably dont mean squat to mosta ya, but ole John is one of my very best friends, a true friend, one that would give ya the shirt off his back without a second thought
I got this email that was sent to everyone connected to DU at a national level from our only female state officer, that pretty much sums up everyone feelings:
(letter removed because some are upset and that is not my intention, the text above speaks volumes without the letter)
North MS DU will never recover from this type of blow
the doc
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Doc, my earlier comments were in jest. I realize that a good friend of yours lost his job. And I am sorry to hear about anyone losing their job. BUT, once again, BRF DID NOT make this decision.
I find it very offensive that you would publicy post on this website such a venemous and hateful letter from this woman addressed to and about BRF. You may just as well have attacked him directly yourself. Do you even know BRF? I realize emotions are running high right now for John and his friends, but publicly taking it out on BRF is unfair and unwarranted, IMO.
BRF was the Southern RD, not the Northern RD. So, naturally, his primary efforts in the past would be in his territory. Now that his territory may be expanded to include the entire state of MS, I would assume that he will have to work a lot of extra hours and long days to cover the new areas in North MS.
I am not defending DU's decision to eliminate one of the two RD positions in MS. Frankly, I don't know enough about it to comment one way or the other. But, I do know BRF very well. And Doc, he is just as good a friend of mine as John apparently is to you.
Exactly what is the intent of your post Doc? To change DU's mind? Then fine, direct you beef to those at DU who made the decision. To assault the character and job of BRF, who is a good friend of many on this board? IF so, then I would suggest this board is not the proper place to do this. To encourage others to follow suit and not support DU? To what end? Is that good for the ducks?
I find it very offensive that you would publicy post on this website such a venemous and hateful letter from this woman addressed to and about BRF. You may just as well have attacked him directly yourself. Do you even know BRF? I realize emotions are running high right now for John and his friends, but publicly taking it out on BRF is unfair and unwarranted, IMO.
BRF was the Southern RD, not the Northern RD. So, naturally, his primary efforts in the past would be in his territory. Now that his territory may be expanded to include the entire state of MS, I would assume that he will have to work a lot of extra hours and long days to cover the new areas in North MS.
I am not defending DU's decision to eliminate one of the two RD positions in MS. Frankly, I don't know enough about it to comment one way or the other. But, I do know BRF very well. And Doc, he is just as good a friend of mine as John apparently is to you.
Exactly what is the intent of your post Doc? To change DU's mind? Then fine, direct you beef to those at DU who made the decision. To assault the character and job of BRF, who is a good friend of many on this board? IF so, then I would suggest this board is not the proper place to do this. To encourage others to follow suit and not support DU? To what end? Is that good for the ducks?
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everyone wanted to know what happened and what the feelings were about it...now they know
I would be just as pissed if I was BRF, knowing that I had a virtually impossible task ahead of me with little to no support from the north half of the state
I have never had the occasion to meet him and I did not write the letter nor are those my feelings about him, but he has now been placed in a position where success will not be an option by an organization that doesnt seem to really support MS any more, or hunters for that matter
if I have offended, then I apologize that was not my intent, my intent was to let everyone see how bad DU has dropped the ball with this action...the text above the letter are facts and these people are done, mind you all volunteers...these are people that I have and will continue to call my friends
the letter itself states that it was written while emotions were high, but I am not going to edit it...if the moderators of this site feel so inclined then by all means, remove it (btw it i posted on another site so it is already public)
the doc
I would be just as pissed if I was BRF, knowing that I had a virtually impossible task ahead of me with little to no support from the north half of the state
I have never had the occasion to meet him and I did not write the letter nor are those my feelings about him, but he has now been placed in a position where success will not be an option by an organization that doesnt seem to really support MS any more, or hunters for that matter
if I have offended, then I apologize that was not my intent, my intent was to let everyone see how bad DU has dropped the ball with this action...the text above the letter are facts and these people are done, mind you all volunteers...these are people that I have and will continue to call my friends
the letter itself states that it was written while emotions were high, but I am not going to edit it...if the moderators of this site feel so inclined then by all means, remove it (btw it i posted on another site so it is already public)
the doc
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Ahhhhh, the old tap dance of blaming the author of the ill-advised letter, but not the one spreading it around for all to see.
Good grief, get some nads. IF your going to publicise personal attacks on members of this board, then be willing to vouch for it and back it up. Otherwise, there is an edit and delete button.
Good grief, get some nads. IF your going to publicise personal attacks on members of this board, then be willing to vouch for it and back it up. Otherwise, there is an edit and delete button.
IF I'm not mistaken, their new boss is the old Alabama regional director, Doug LAsher. If this is so, then I am not surprised in the very least. I have never met a more worthless, egotistical polesmokin piece o chit in my lifetime. I hate that this has happened, I feel for your friend and wish him the best of luck. I also feel for Mr Fann, he's got a long, tough uphill battle ahead of him without much support from upstairs as well as an obvious downturn in support as a result of DU corporate actions.
For the last 10 years, DU has progressively headed on a downhill slide with no effort to correct. It's big business now and that is the bottom line. They have one of the top 10 salaried Board of directors in the entire nation. Do you know what a BOD does? hehe, let's just say where do I put in my application.
Good luck to both of these guys, they're going to need all the friendship and support they can muster.
For the last 10 years, DU has progressively headed on a downhill slide with no effort to correct. It's big business now and that is the bottom line. They have one of the top 10 salaried Board of directors in the entire nation. Do you know what a BOD does? hehe, let's just say where do I put in my application.
Good luck to both of these guys, they're going to need all the friendship and support they can muster.
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I have already voiced my opion on this on another thread on this site. You, know it some screwed up folks in the upper chain of DU. Mississippi Ducks Unlimited will never recover from this. The state chairman and the next state chairman have all quit. The largest money raiser in the state, The Tunica shoot is no more, and most of the larger chapters in the state have all called it quits. I guess DW is smilling all the way to the bank know. As I said in the other thread, I will honor my banquet date of 1/13/2006 but that will be the last time I show any support for DU. Also, Billie Ray, this is nothing against you. I expect to hear from you soon on our West Point banquet. John, if you read this, thank you for all you have done for me and the ducks. You will always have my support.
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Well, if she is going to make statement like that about my good friend, she should at least have the guts to make her name as public as her criticism of BRF. Anything less is chicken $#!+ and gutless. And that goes for anyone spreading this garbage as well.
And if I have offended, good. I'm taking off the gloves. My name is Max Edwards. I live in Chickasaw County. Anyone who wants to discuss the matter with me personally is welcome to do so. Anyone has a beef with me, they know where to find me. I promise you, I ain't scared.
And if I have offended, good. I'm taking off the gloves. My name is Max Edwards. I live in Chickasaw County. Anyone who wants to discuss the matter with me personally is welcome to do so. Anyone has a beef with me, they know where to find me. I promise you, I ain't scared.
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this a good lady and is not scard to post her name but every one knows who she is and if u f*** with her to much you will have a long line. i to will not help du anymore because john p. is a good guy and worked hard at his job. im sorry for him and wife but he has the support of a lot of us former du people! so po monkey what ever lay off her she was stateing her feelings for a freind.
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Hey guys, I don't know either of these guys but I feel sorry for both. BRF seems to have a tough job ahead of him. PML, I know you are taking up for your friend and want to help him but I hope you are not hurting him by your reactions here. He is going to need a lot of support and I just hope you're not causing more harm than good. I don't think anyone is upset with BRF, it was out of his control. Everyone who knows him seems to really like him. The emotions are running high and for good reason. Like GG said, things happen for a reason and most of the time it works out for the best. I wish both these gentlemen the best of luck!
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