per the NCAA website....

[camlock]

http://www.ncaa.org/champadmin/ia_footb ... hamps.html

Greenhead22, go count how many past NCAA D-1 championships Ole Miss has been listed by at least one source. Pretty sure you were sure of yourself on the 1962 Litkenhous being the only one and Archie being a liar deal...Pretty sure you also called out for someone to prove it otherwise...here you go pal....you have been "EDUCATED", study up before you spout off facts, that aren't facts. I'm sure Archie did b4 he said it on national TV, and tell your buddies on Gene's to get over it too...


Waranted, agreed with, or whatever...if the NCAA ackowledges it, I'd think it's legit. If you read the NCAA says that they do not crown a champion but have adopted BCS since 1998 in conjunction with the conferences, yada yada....so another words....NC are determined by various entities, entitling the universities to claim them

Only one service named Mississippi in 1962 (one of the 3 claimed with banners in VHS): Litkenhous (1934-84), a difference-by-score formula developed by Edward E. Litkenhous, a professor of chemical engineering at Vanderbilt, and his brother, Frank.

This topic pertains to UM and UM only anyway ......and how they can claim 3 national championship when I've yet to see anyone prove me wrong on this.

[Greenhead22]

Now who's been EDUCATED here?

1962
Alabama: Billingsley
LSU: Berryman*
Southern California: AP, Berryman*, DeVold, Dunkel, FB News, Football Research, FW, Helms, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Poling, Sagarin, UPI, Williamson
Mississippi: Litkenhous


Well looky there, I said Litkenhous was the only rating service that picked UM in '62, and guess what......they were. If Litkenhous is a valid rating system, then why didn't they pick UM as their champion in '59 and '60, since UM is using them for their "claim" in '62?

[rebelduckaholic]

CAMLOCK You will never win this. They will keep posting this rhetoric. It will keep you a lot less frustrated. The only reason he is bringing this up is both teams SUCK and there is not much else to talk about. When you told 22 to tell genes page this. Well this is nothing more than the gene's page sheep crap over here at msducks

[mshunter77]

camlock may not win but he will die trying trust me, i have argued for hours with him over nothing

[Greenhead22]

I ain't no damn sheep, homeboy.

[rebelduckaholic]

Come on you aren't drinking the Croom Kool-Aid

[Greenhead22]

Now that's the ticket........a UM fan consulting me about drinking kool-aid.

[rebelduckaholic]

[Greenhead22]

Gotcha

[camlock]

Now who's been EDUCATED here?

1962
Alabama: Billingsley
LSU: Berryman*
Southern California: AP, Berryman*, DeVold, Dunkel, FB News, Football Research, FW, Helms, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Poling, Sagarin, UPI, Williamson
Mississippi: Litkenhous


Well looky there, I said Litkenhous was the only rating service that picked UM in '62, and guess what......they were. If Litkenhous is a valid rating system, then why didn't they pick UM as their champion in '59 and '60, since UM is using them for their "claim" in '62?

U know GD well you were trying to say the only time Ole Miss was ever declared by anyone was Litkenhous in 62, and that Archie was lying about the other 2 and it is right there that he has every right to claim the other two that are documented by F*ING NCAA...now I am having fun with this currently, but if you wanna cut your previous post to dictate your arguement your being a dam liar and it's pointless to conversate with you...

[webbmaster]

The History of College Football Rating Systems
Alderson System (1994-Present): A mathematical rating system based strictly on a point value system reflecting competition as well as won-lost record. Developed by Bob Alderson of Muldrow, Oklahoma

AP: Associated Press (1936-current); the first major nationwide poll for ranking college football teams is voted on by sportswriters and broadcasters. It is probably the most well-known and widely circulated among all of history's polls.

Berryman (QPRS) (1990-Present): A mathematical rating system based on a quality point rating formula developed by Clyde P. Berryman of Washington, D.C. Predated NC from 1940-1989.

Billingsley Report (1960-Present): A mathematical model based on power rating system developed by Richard Billingsley of Nashville, TN. His work is published annually as the Billingsley report through his own company, the College Football Research Center. In 1996, he finished his three-year research project ranking the NCs from 1869-1995. Predated NCs from 1869-1959.

Boand (1930-1960): Boand System is known as the Azzi Ratem System developed by William Boand of Tucson, Ariz. He moved to Chicago in 1932. Appeared in many newspapers as well as Illustrated Football Annual (1932-42) and weekly in Football News (1942-44, 1951-60). Predated national champions from 1919-1929.

College Football Researchers Association (1982-92): Founded by Anthony Cusher of Reeder, ND and Robert Kirlin of Spokane, Washington. Announced its champion in it monthly bulletin and the NC was determinged by top-10 vote of membership on a point system. Predated NCs from 1919-1981, conducted on a poll by Harry Carson Frye.

Davis (1869-1933): A noted college football historian, Parke H. Davis, went back and named the championship teams from the 1869 through the 1932 season. He also named a national champion at the conclusion of the 1933 season. Interestingly, the years 1869-75 were identified by Davis as the Pioneer Period; the years 1876-33 were called the period of American Intercollegiate Football Association, and the years 1894-1933 were referred to as the Period of Rules Committees and Conferences.

Devold (1939-current): A mathematical rating system developed by Harry Devold from Minneapolis, a former football player at Cornell. He eventually settled in the Detroit area and worked in the real estate business. The ratings have appeared in The Football News since 1962. Predated national champions from 1939-44.

Dickinson System (1924-40): A mathematical point system devised by Frank Dickinson, a professor of economics at the University of Illinois. Dickinson divided teams into two categories, those that had a higher than .500 winning percentage and those below. Dickinson mentioned his method in class one day and the Daily Illini sports editor featured a story which came to the attention of Chicago clothing manufacturer Jack Rissman, who decided he would like to use Dickinson's ratings to select the top team in the Big Ten each year so that he could present a trophy to the winner.

Dunkel (1929-Present): A power index rating system devised by Dick Dunkel, Sr. (1929-71); from 1972 by Dick Dunkel Jr.

FACT (1968-Present): A computerized mathematical ranking system developed by David Rothman of Hawthorne, CA. FACT is the Foundation for the Analysis of Competitions and Tournaments, which began selecting a NC in 1968.

Football News (1958-current); weekly poll of its staff writers has named a national champion since 1958.

Football Writers Association of America (1954-current): The No. 1 team of the year is determined by a five-man panel representing the nation's football writers. The national championship team receives the Grantland Rice Award.

Helms: First Interstate Bank Athletic Foundation (1883-1982): Originally known by this name from 1936-69 and established by the founding sponsor, Paul J. Helms, a Los Angeles sportsman and philanthropist. After Helms' death in 1957, United Savings and Loan Association became its benefactor during 1970-72. A merger of United Savings and Citizen Savings was completed in 1973, and the Athletic Foundation became known as Citizen Savings Athletic Foundation. In 1982, First Interstate Bank assumed responsibility for its final rankings. In 1941, Bill Schroeder, managing editor of the Helms Athletic Foundation retroactively selected the national football champions for the period beginning in 1883 (the first year of a scoring system) through 1941. Thereafter, Schroeder, who died in 1988, then chose, with the assistance of the Hall board, the annual national champion after the bowl games.

Houlgate System (1927-58): A mathematical rating system developed by Dale Houlgate of Los Angeles, Calif. His ratings were syndicated in newspapers and published in Illustrated Football and Football Thesaurus (1946-58).

International News Service (1952-1957): A poll conducted for six years by members or the International News Service (INS) before a merger with United Press in 1958.

Litkenhous System (1934-1984): A "difference-by-score" method syndicated by Fred Litkenhous and his brother Edward.

Matthews Grid Ratings (1966-present) A mathematical rating system developed by college mathematics professor Herman Matthews of Middlesboro, Ky. Has appeared in newsapapers and The Football News.

National Championship Foundation (1869-present) Established by Mike Riter of Germantown, N.Y. Issues an annual report. Predated national champions from 1869-1979.

New York Times (1979-current): A mathematical rating system introduced by the newspaper.

National Football Foundation and Hall of Fame (1959-current) The National Football Foundation and Hall of Fame named its first national champion in 1959. Headquartered in Larchmont, N.Y., the present National Football Foundation was established in 1954 to promote amateur athletics in America. The national champion was awarded the MacArthur Bowl from 1959-90. In 1991 and 1992, the NFF/HOF joined United Press International to award the MacArthur Bowl, and in 1993 the NFF/HOF joined with USA Today to present the Sears MacArthur Bowl.

Ray Bryne System: A mathematical system developed by Ray Bryne. Information on this system is currently being gathered. This system is not currently listed in the Official NCAA College Football Records book, but it is included in a publication entitled "The Crimson and White Book," which was published in 1982 by the National Championship Foundation located in Germantown, NY.

Poling System (1924-84): A mathematical rating system for college football teams developed by Richard Poling from Mansfield, Ohio, a former football player at Ohio Wesleyan. Poling's football ratings were published annually in the Football Review Supplement and in various newspapers. Predated national champions from 1924-34.

Sagarin Ratings (1978-Present): A mathematical rating system developed by Jeff Sagarin of Bloomington, Indiana, a 1970 MIT mathematics graduate. Runs annually in USA Today. Predated NCs from 1938 and 1956-1977.

Sports Illustrated (1981-present): Voted on annually by a committee of writers representing various regions of the country for this nationally circulated magazine.

The Sporting News (1975-current): Chosen by editorial staff.

United Press International (1950-current): In 1950, the United Press news service began its full poll of football coaches (replaced as coaches' poll after 1990 season). When the United Press merged with the International News Service in 1958, it became known as United Press International. The weekly UPI rankings were featured in newspapers, radio and television nationwide. UPI and the National Football Foundation formed a coalition for 1991 and 1992 to name the MacArthur Bowl national champion.

USA Today/Cable News Network (1982-current): Introduced a weekly poll of sportswriters in 1982 and ranked the top 25 teams in the nation with a point system. The poll results are featured in USA Today, a national newspaper, and Cable News Network, a national cable television network. Took over as the coaches' poll in 1991. USA Today also formed a coalition with the National Football Foundation in 1993 to named the MacArthur Bowl national champion.

Washington, D.C. Touchdown Club: A voting system by the members of the club. Information on this system is currently being gathered. This system is not currently listed in the Official NCAA College Football Records book, but it is included in a publication entitled "The Crimson and White Book," which was published in 1982 by the National Championship Foundation located in Germantown, NY.

Williamson System (1932-63): System of syndicated power ratings chosen by Paul Williamson of New Orleans, a geologist and member of the Sugar Bowl committee.

[Greenhead22]

Now who's been EDUCATED here?

1962
Alabama: Billingsley
LSU: Berryman*
Southern California: AP, Berryman*, DeVold, Dunkel, FB News, Football Research, FW, Helms, National Championship Foundation, NFF, Poling, Sagarin, UPI, Williamson
Mississippi: Litkenhous


Well looky there, I said Litkenhous was the only rating service that picked UM in '62, and guess what......they were. If Litkenhous is a valid rating system, then why didn't they pick UM as their champion in '59 and '60, since UM is using them for their "claim" in '62?

U know GD well you were trying to say the only time Ole Miss was ever declared by anyone was Litkenhous in 62, and that Archie was lying about the other 2 and it is right there that he has every right to claim the other two that are documented by F*ING NCAA...now I am having fun with this currently, but if you wanna cut your previous post to dictate your arguement your being a dam liar and it's pointless to conversate with you...

boy boy boy........reread what I wrote and think about it for a minute. I've known for yrs that Ole Miss had been picked as a national champion in 58 59 and 62.......62 being the only year where "ONE" publication picked them as the NC, as I stated. I was making fun of ole miss fans using the Lit as their claim for '62 when they bashed it for them not choosing UM in '58 and '59.

[camlock]

I'm not bashing em, I appreciate em for picking us then...as well as the others...like I said, I don't necessarily agree with the whole thing, but if ever other school can claim em by whomever names em, then so can we and to say Archie told a bold face lie is wrong cause he, along with any reprsentative from any other university under the same situation, can claim the national title granted them by whoever when at the time there was no set entity in charge of crowning 1 champion, it almost a matter of opinion, they give us the freedom to pick one by not having their stuff together...on the other hand, USC or any other splits since the adoption of the BCS shouldn't be entitled a NC unless the win the BCS national championship game....they accept it and play under it, so they should respect it and recognize it's authority, or not play under it at all and reap it's other benefits, including winning it and accepting it the following year...BCS sucks, but they play by it until it screws em??? Pretty retarded and two faced if you ask me...taking an AP title is claiming a voted opinion outside of the contractual umbrella you play under all year, especially when it isn't even recognized in the BCS anymore....same thing as us voting a DUCKSOUTH champion, we are just voters voicing an opinion, the AP is just a nationwide susposed professional opinion gathering entity.

[Greenhead22]

One thing about the Associated Press........they are THE poll that everyone looks at as being the most knowledgeable......doesn't matter if it's baseball, football or basketball.....hell baseball has 14 different polls, but Ole Miss fans just go happened to be using the off the wall poll that had them at #5 while the other 13 had them in the #12-18 range.

If Ole Miss can use a "majority" claim for '58 and '59, then why can't USC do the same for 2002, which would make them a 3 peat champ as of today and possibly 4 peat after this season.

[camlock]

If Ole Miss can use a "majority" claim for '58 and '59, then why can't USC do the same for 2002, which would make them a 3 peat champ as of today and possibly 4 peat after this season.

because USC as a university plays under the BCS umbrella, in a BCS conference, by which they accept the BCS as the system to determine the college football national champion...the years in question for Ole Miss there was no accepted system, any of them could be accepted...if USC will accept the benefits of playing in a BCS conference all year, they should respect it at the end, even if it screwed em, it's supports em all year and it came back around to them the following season...funny how they denounced it in 03 but lifted that trophy high in acceptance the following while AU was left without a shot...that's where I am coming from, if we play under an adopted system that is it, no matter how flawed we are still under it...they can claim to be NC as voted by the AP, but not a "split champion"...acording to the league (D1 football in general) they play in all year, the BCS series determines the "CHAMPION" not a vote by a seperate entity to take away 1/2 the title from the winning team...