Jury DEADLOCKED! Are the riots soon to start. They will be called back tomorrow and asked again. What is your take on that tidbit??????????
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Not just deadlocked, but locked up at six to six. The odds of that being resolved have got to be fairly high.
Those Court TV people had him convicted as soon as closings were over.
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!! Yankees and politicians.
Those Court TV people had him convicted as soon as closings were over.
Bwahahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!! Yankees and politicians.
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Spoonallard wrote:Jury DEADLOCKED! Are the riots soon to start. They will be called back tomorrow and asked again. What is your take on that tidbit??????????
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WELL WELL WELL!!!! Spoonie you ready for that beer?? Let's ride to Phily and have one on the front steps of the courthouse!! I would love for the reporters to ask our opinion!! Well at 6 to 6 have we come any closer to resolving this? 40years ago it was 11 to1..... same evidence plus some and with years of these jurors forming their own opinions we have 6 to 6!! What are the odds of the 3 black jurors voting guilty?? There is to much peer pressure put on them to vote otherwise because the juror count will come out and they will be labeled "uncle toms" if they vote to acquit him!! Interesting that now Hood is asking the jurors to consider a lesser sentence!! Kinda fishy... he sees the writing on the walls and now is begging for any guilty verdict!! There is no evidence or talking that will sway 6 votes!! We will see in the morning!!!!
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I just don't see how you can call them back and ask them to do that. Where is Po Monkey? How dose this work Max? Is it legal at all for the judge to do this? I value you opinion. Yea lets head to Philly and see if they want to talk to us now. I'll have a beer on the steps.
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Jurors announce they are split 6-to-6 in Klansman's triple-murder trial
Edgar Ray Killen, seen Monday during closing arguments, is accused of masterminding the murders of three civil rights workers.
By Harriet Ryan
Court TV
PHILADELPHIA, Miss. — Jurors in the murder trial of a Klansman accused of killing three civil rights workers in 1964 told the judge Monday evening that they were split 6-to-6 after deliberating for less than three hours.
The panelists, however, did not say they were deadlocked. They are to resume deliberations Tuesday morning.
During closing arguments Monday, a prosecutor urged jurors to restore the reputation of this rural county, tarnished four decades ago by the slayings four decades ago, by convicting an 80-year-old white supremacist of the murders.
"For 41 years tomorrow, it's been Edgar Ray Killen and his friends who have written the history of Neshoba County," the county district attorney, Mark Duncan, told jurors in his closing argument.
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He told the panel of nine whites and three blacks that with their verdict, "You can either change the history Edgar Ray Killen and the Klan wrote for us, or you confirm it."
The shooting of James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner by a mob of white men on June 21, 1964, was one of the most notorious crimes of the civil rights era.
Although some Klansmen were convicted in a federal civil rights trial in 1967, no one was indicted for murder until this year when Killen, the alleged ringleader, was charged.
Jurors began deliberating three counts of murder against Killen, a Baptist minister known in the community as "Preacher Killen," at 3 p.m. Monday after four days of testimony.
The panel will be sequestered in a local motel until they reach a verdict.
Mississippi Attorney General Jim Hood told jurors there was no statute of limitations on murder.
Killen, confined to a wheelchair by a logging accident three months ago and diagnosed with hypertension, fell asleep several times during closings. A nurse took his blood pressure during one break in the summations.
The elderly defendant did become alert and visibly agitated when Duncan's co-counsel, state Attorney General Jim Hood, called him a "coward" and told jurors not to feel sorry for him because of his advanced age and failing health.
The "venom" that killed the victims "is sitting right there," Hood said, pointing to Killen. "It's seething behind those glasses."
Killen stared back at Hood and murmured, "Son of a bitch."
'Echoes in eternity'
During the trial, which began on June 13 with jury selection, both sides referred to Neshoba County resident's distrust of outsiders and their anger at how they were perceived by the rest of the nation.
Duncan, who grew up in Philadelphia and who has endured accusations that his own father and grandfather were Klansmen, told jurors that the prosecution had answered every question as to Killen's guilt with its evidence, but that one question remained.
"Is a Neshoba County jury going to tell the rest of the world that we are not going to let Edgar Ray Killen get away with murder any more? Not one day longer?" he asked.
Citing a line from what he told jurors was his favorite movie, "Gladiator," he told jurors, "What you do in life echoes in eternity."
In their summations, Killen's defense lawyers contended the evidence presented by prosecutors only proved that the defendant belonged to the Klan and knew about the murders.
"Edgar Ray Killen was not there that night, and he did not participate in the killings," attorney Mitch Moran said.
Prosecutors have acknowledged that Killen did not go with the mob to the dirt road where the men were killed, but they maintain he is just as guilty as an accessory before the fact. Under Mississippi law, jurors may convict a defendant of a crime if they find he directed others to commit it.
Defense Attorney James McIntyre told jurors "the burden of proof does not reflect any guilt whatsoever."
Prosecutors relied heavily on testimony of witnesses, now dead, from the 1967 trial. Transcripts of six witnesses, including three Klan informants who fingered Killen, were read to jurors.
James McIntyre, a lawyer for Killen who represented another suspect in the 1967 trial, accused the prosecutors of making the case a political show trial. He noted that the "state's top lawyer," referring to Hood, had traveled from Jackson to help prosecute Killen.
"This is a case of pull back the curtain for the cameras," McIntyre said, gesturing to the cameras in court and the 200 people crammed into the courtroom gallery.
He questioned why Killen was being prosecuted when seven other suspects were not.
"Why?" McIntyre asked, dropping his voice to a whisper. "Because they want to get the preacher."
The jury in 1967 deadlocked on charges against him after one juror said she could not convict a preacher.
McIntyre told the jury that after the trial, the victims' families would return to "New York or Oregon or wherever they come from."
"When everybody else has gone home, we still have to live here," he said, adding that while a guilty finding might bring satisfaction for the victims' relatives, "what's that going to do for us?"
More than 200 people packed Circuit Court Judge Marcus Gordon's courtroom for the final day of the trial.
Outside court, prosecutors revealed for the first time why they did not call any of the other suspects as witnesses against Killen.
"None of them would agree to testify against the defendant in this case," Hood said. All refused offers of immunity.
Hood said he twice interviewed Sam Bowers, the state Klan's Imperial Wizard and the man who would have had to approve any Klan "eliminations," or murders. Bowers is now serving a life sentence for killing another civil rights activist, Vernon Dahmer.
Duncan said he believed the men, most of whom live nearby, would exercise their right against self-incrimination if put on the witness stand.
Edgar Ray Killen, seen Monday during closing arguments, is accused of masterminding the murders of three civil rights workers.
By Harriet Ryan
Court TV
PHILADELPHIA, Miss. — Jurors in the murder trial of a Klansman accused of killing three civil rights workers in 1964 told the judge Monday evening that they were split 6-to-6 after deliberating for less than three hours.
The panelists, however, did not say they were deadlocked. They are to resume deliberations Tuesday morning.
During closing arguments Monday, a prosecutor urged jurors to restore the reputation of this rural county, tarnished four decades ago by the slayings four decades ago, by convicting an 80-year-old white supremacist of the murders.
"For 41 years tomorrow, it's been Edgar Ray Killen and his friends who have written the history of Neshoba County," the county district attorney, Mark Duncan, told jurors in his closing argument.
Story continues
advertisement
He told the panel of nine whites and three blacks that with their verdict, "You can either change the history Edgar Ray Killen and the Klan wrote for us, or you confirm it."
The shooting of James Chaney, Andrew Goodman, and Michael Schwerner by a mob of white men on June 21, 1964, was one of the most notorious crimes of the civil rights era.
Although some Klansmen were convicted in a federal civil rights trial in 1967, no one was indicted for murder until this year when Killen, the alleged ringleader, was charged.
Jurors began deliberating three counts of murder against Killen, a Baptist minister known in the community as "Preacher Killen," at 3 p.m. Monday after four days of testimony.
The panel will be sequestered in a local motel until they reach a verdict.
Mississippi Attorney General Jim Hood told jurors there was no statute of limitations on murder.
Killen, confined to a wheelchair by a logging accident three months ago and diagnosed with hypertension, fell asleep several times during closings. A nurse took his blood pressure during one break in the summations.
The elderly defendant did become alert and visibly agitated when Duncan's co-counsel, state Attorney General Jim Hood, called him a "coward" and told jurors not to feel sorry for him because of his advanced age and failing health.
The "venom" that killed the victims "is sitting right there," Hood said, pointing to Killen. "It's seething behind those glasses."
Killen stared back at Hood and murmured, "Son of a bitch."
'Echoes in eternity'
During the trial, which began on June 13 with jury selection, both sides referred to Neshoba County resident's distrust of outsiders and their anger at how they were perceived by the rest of the nation.
Duncan, who grew up in Philadelphia and who has endured accusations that his own father and grandfather were Klansmen, told jurors that the prosecution had answered every question as to Killen's guilt with its evidence, but that one question remained.
"Is a Neshoba County jury going to tell the rest of the world that we are not going to let Edgar Ray Killen get away with murder any more? Not one day longer?" he asked.
Citing a line from what he told jurors was his favorite movie, "Gladiator," he told jurors, "What you do in life echoes in eternity."
In their summations, Killen's defense lawyers contended the evidence presented by prosecutors only proved that the defendant belonged to the Klan and knew about the murders.
"Edgar Ray Killen was not there that night, and he did not participate in the killings," attorney Mitch Moran said.
Prosecutors have acknowledged that Killen did not go with the mob to the dirt road where the men were killed, but they maintain he is just as guilty as an accessory before the fact. Under Mississippi law, jurors may convict a defendant of a crime if they find he directed others to commit it.
Defense Attorney James McIntyre told jurors "the burden of proof does not reflect any guilt whatsoever."
Prosecutors relied heavily on testimony of witnesses, now dead, from the 1967 trial. Transcripts of six witnesses, including three Klan informants who fingered Killen, were read to jurors.
James McIntyre, a lawyer for Killen who represented another suspect in the 1967 trial, accused the prosecutors of making the case a political show trial. He noted that the "state's top lawyer," referring to Hood, had traveled from Jackson to help prosecute Killen.
"This is a case of pull back the curtain for the cameras," McIntyre said, gesturing to the cameras in court and the 200 people crammed into the courtroom gallery.
He questioned why Killen was being prosecuted when seven other suspects were not.
"Why?" McIntyre asked, dropping his voice to a whisper. "Because they want to get the preacher."
The jury in 1967 deadlocked on charges against him after one juror said she could not convict a preacher.
McIntyre told the jury that after the trial, the victims' families would return to "New York or Oregon or wherever they come from."
"When everybody else has gone home, we still have to live here," he said, adding that while a guilty finding might bring satisfaction for the victims' relatives, "what's that going to do for us?"
More than 200 people packed Circuit Court Judge Marcus Gordon's courtroom for the final day of the trial.
Outside court, prosecutors revealed for the first time why they did not call any of the other suspects as witnesses against Killen.
"None of them would agree to testify against the defendant in this case," Hood said. All refused offers of immunity.
Hood said he twice interviewed Sam Bowers, the state Klan's Imperial Wizard and the man who would have had to approve any Klan "eliminations," or murders. Bowers is now serving a life sentence for killing another civil rights activist, Vernon Dahmer.
Duncan said he believed the men, most of whom live nearby, would exercise their right against self-incrimination if put on the witness stand.
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I'd bet a dollar to a donut that that peepee Hood has got his team workin double overtime tryin to figure out the best spin to get out of this, and once again, justice will play no part!!!
Damnit, I didn't realize how mad this farce has made me.
And, I KNOW I'm not alone. Yeah, it's done wonders to improve things between the races.
Damnit, I didn't realize how mad this farce has made me.
And, I KNOW I'm not alone. Yeah, it's done wonders to improve things between the races.
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The jury is instructed on the law BEFORE closing arguments begin. IF there was a manslaughter instruction, then it would have been given at that time. The Court will not re-instruct the jury as someone suggested. The only instructions that the Court will give at this point is for the jury to keep deliberating, or an instruction to answer any legal question that the jury might have through a written communication from the jury to the Judge, which would be read to and discussed with the lawyers for each side before the Court offers any written response. All of this would be on the record.
The jury has only been deliberating for about 3 hours. Since it was approaching the end of the day, I suspect that the judge was trying to decide when to let them go for the day and a jury vote was taken just before letting them go to see where they were. They will be sequestered until tommorrow, when they will resume deliberating. It often takes longer than 3 hours for a jury to decide a civil case involving a car wreck. It is not surprising that the jury is temporarily deadlocked at 6-6 after just 3 hours. It is doubtful that they have even taken more than one vote yet. And they probably have only been considering the more serious murder/conspiracy charges first. It is very likely that they have not even considered the manslaugher charge yet, IF such a jury instruction was given. So, I would not read too much into this either way at this point. Way too early. We'll have to wait until tommorrow or the next day. Should be interesting. There is nothing "fishy" going on ---- such is pretty normal. No need for the conspiracy melodrama.
The jury has only been deliberating for about 3 hours. Since it was approaching the end of the day, I suspect that the judge was trying to decide when to let them go for the day and a jury vote was taken just before letting them go to see where they were. They will be sequestered until tommorrow, when they will resume deliberating. It often takes longer than 3 hours for a jury to decide a civil case involving a car wreck. It is not surprising that the jury is temporarily deadlocked at 6-6 after just 3 hours. It is doubtful that they have even taken more than one vote yet. And they probably have only been considering the more serious murder/conspiracy charges first. It is very likely that they have not even considered the manslaugher charge yet, IF such a jury instruction was given. So, I would not read too much into this either way at this point. Way too early. We'll have to wait until tommorrow or the next day. Should be interesting. There is nothing "fishy" going on ---- such is pretty normal. No need for the conspiracy melodrama.
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Spoonallard wrote:Jurors announce they are split 6-to-6 in Klansman's triple-murder trial
The elderly defendant did become alert and visibly agitated when Duncan's co-counsel, state Attorney General Jim Hood, called him a "coward" and told jurors not to feel sorry for him because of his advanced age and failing health.
The "venom" that killed the victims "is sitting right there," Hood said, pointing to Killen. "It's seething behind those glasses."
Killen stared back at Hood and murmured, "Son of a bitch."
Wow sounds like something a preacher would say..Guilty "illegitimate child"!
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i'm not judging guilt or innocence, but i was watching on court tv, and while that part of the trial was going on,t hey had a split pane, one camera of hood and one of killen, i never recall seeing killens' lips move...i may have just missed it, but didn't see it
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Oh he said something and I saw it. Now weather or not it was sob I'm not sure, but what ever it was, it wasn't nice. But hey, if he had called me a coward I would have said it where he could hear it, and then I would have been convicted! 
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