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Lang claims fuel questions of 'what if?'

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CECIL HURT: Lang claims fuel questions of 'what if?’
June 12, 2005

How would a jury have reacted if it knew Albert Means was not a victim?

That’s the question of the week in the long-running soap opera that began with the University of Alabama’s NCAA case and proceeded into courtrooms across the Southeast, and where it continues, in various venues, to this day. A Memphis Commercial Appeal article has prompted the question. In that article in which Lynn Lang, Means’ former high school coach, claims he provided Means with some $60,000 during Means’ final two years of high school.

The defense team for Logan Young, who was found guilty of giving Lang that money so that Means would sign with Alabama is, understandably, aghast. They argue, plausibly, that a jury might have seen things differently, or, at the very least, that Young’s culpability (and hence any possible jail sentence) is greatly mitigated by the fact that Albert Means was no victim.

Along the way, Lang also portrayed the recruitment of Means as a freewheeling circus in which a lot of teams participated, not a corrupt transaction in which there was only one culprit. Lang provided the names of a lot of schools -- including Tennessee and Arkansas, to name the most hypocritical and moralistic of the alleged bidders -- along with dollar amounts and a few local color details, like the one where an Arkansas coach promised to leave $80,000 in a bag under a bridge.

It has even prompted a few regional columnists to propose that maybe Means wasn’t a victim (gasp!), or that the NCAA prosecution of the case was, at best, rather selective (double gasp!). Honesty has to get the best of modesty here, if only to the extent of saying that regular readers of this column have heard all those points many times before.

That doesn’t diminish the importance of this week’s revelations for Young, who is fighting to stay out of jail. Furthermore, whenever another person steps back and takes a fresh look at how the NCAA functions, that’s a victory. That’s a big reason why The Tuscaloosa News is fighting to unseal and reveal all the documents in the Ronnie Cottrell/Ivy Williams lawsuit. Every piece of information contributes to the public’s understanding of this incredibly complex and still-evolving case.

Quite likely, a redefinition of Means’ “victim" status would have influenced a Memphis jury in Young’s case, a case that never belonged in a federal courtroom in the first place. But that leads to another question.

How would this information have affected that “other" jury -- the NCAA Committee on Infractions?

There are so many subtexts to Alabama’s NCAA Infractions hearing. There were so many agendas at work, some of them known at the time, others that have subsequently come to light, and yet others that will be exposed in the future. I’ve yet to see any summary, including the one that Cottrell’s attorneys filed this week, that encompasses everything that happened.

I am convinced, though, that Albert Means as “victim" was one of the motivating factors -- not the only one, by any means, but a big one -- in the COI’s ultimate decision. For one thing, it explains one of the more inexplicable elements of the whole case: the viper’s-venom rhetoric directed by committee chairman Thomas Yeager towards an institution that had been co-operative beyond the point of self-preservation.

Perhaps we are in the tricky territory of the sub-conscious here. Probably, every member of the COI would deny that the unique history of the University of Alabama played a role in its decision-making.

But I do know that the NCAA prides itself on a politically “aware" agenda, positioning itself against everything from Confederate flags to Indian nicknames. I do know that Southern schools are penalized far more frequently -- and more severely -- than Eastern and Midwestern schools. And I sincerely believe that when Alabama sat in the NCAA’s peculiar dock of justice, there were ghosts sitting there as well, ghosts that once stood in the schoolhouse door. They aren’t literal specters, of course. But that image still lives, and the perception of rich, old boosters exploiting a young black man -- which is exactly how the story was presented to the COI -- made it resonate.

Would a jury have responded differently if it knew the case (such as it was) was business as usual in a lot of places, not just in the South, but in places like Michigan and Ohio as well? It’s hard to detect much moral difference in Albert Means getting paid off and Chris Webber getting paid off. And when the moral element is stripped away, would the wrath of any jury, even one as agenda-ridden as the Committee on Infractions, be quite the same?

This was no crusade. There seem to have been no real victims and far more perpetrators than the NCAA was willing to prosecute. And as this case as proceeded through its long after-life, that has gotten clearer and clearer with every fact that has come to light.

Cecil Hurt is sports editor of The Tuscaloosa News. Reach him at cecil.hurt@tuscaloosanews.com or at (205) 722-0225.

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Postby Po Monkey Lounger » Mon Jun 13, 2005 8:32 pm

Yeah baby!! Lets have a retrial -----string this thing out another year or two. :lol: Bama is looking sooooo goooood in all this whiny, jilted coach, "we wuz wronged" litigation, both criminal and civil. :roll: Even if they "win", Bama still loses. :shock:

Bottom line. Bama got caught ---red handed. :shock: Most likely was not their first rodeo. Get over it!!!

It is long past time for the Logan Young's of the college football world to crawl back into the cesspool of maggot infested goat vomit that he spawned from. So, spare us the violins please ----nobody's buying the pity party.
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Postby webbmaster » Tue Jun 14, 2005 8:25 am

Thanks for your input!

Pssst.....the Univesity of Alabama has nothing to do with this case. The trial of Cotrell and Williams are also completely different than the Logan Young case as well.

BTW, since you have this whole thing figured out-- just avoid the threads altogether. Concentrate your time on figuring out which MS school is the crappiest. :lol:
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Postby Po Monkey Lounger » Tue Jun 14, 2005 12:26 pm

"Pssst.....the Univesity of Alabama has nothing to do with this case."

And ain't that a scream. :lol: Maybe true ----technically ---but the Bama fanbase has been doing a lot of cheerleading on the sidelines, providing the fuel to keep these fires burning. Like I've said before, the legal merit of the civil suits is highly speculative ----the only incentive the attorney(s) handling the cases has lies largely in the publicity created thereby and the Bama fanbase interest in it.

I'll make a deal with you. I'll quit posting in response to these updates of yours if you will let us know when the litigants actually prevail ----- I won't hold my breath. Has anyone ever won one of these suits??
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Postby webbmaster » Tue Jun 14, 2005 12:34 pm

And like I have said before.....Alabama fans aren't the only ones cheering from the sidelines.

Take a poll of all AD's across the country in private, and they'll tell you they are Gallions biggest fans.

You're right about one thing, the Univesity of Alabama isn't going to win or lose anything in this particular case. But is sure going to be fun to watch.

I suggest you study up a little more on the case. Until then, stay out of my threads. :wink:

Oops, how could I forget...
In Bamas 1995 case, NCAA Committee on Infractions brought a charge of unethical conduct against then-Alabama faculty athletics representative Tom Jones. (dealing with the findings in the Antonio Langham case).

The violation was later dropped and Bamas penalties were reduced. So, Jones sued the NCAA in 96. They reached a settelment with Jones getting 1 million. The NCAA also made a formal apology.

How time flies...
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Postby webbmaster » Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:01 am

Rick Neuhisal also won when challenging the NCAA.

Has anyone ever won one of these suits??


These two just popped in my head. I'm sure there are more. Anything else or did we forget to do our homework?
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Postby Greenhead22 » Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:06 am

Sherrill is still going after 10-15 mil from the NCAA, and I hope he gets it.
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Postby webbmaster » Thu Jun 16, 2005 10:11 am

I hope he does too.

I think he's licking his chops right now in anticipation of the Cotrell case.
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Postby Po Monkey Lounger » Thu Jun 16, 2005 2:00 pm

Where are Jones and Neuheisal now??

Where is Cottrell? Sherrill??

Probably hanging out with Billy Brewer in a tiki bar in or near Destin, drowning their sorrows while whining about all those nitpicky, inconvenient NCAA rules.
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Postby Greenhead22 » Thu Jun 16, 2005 2:03 pm

Neuheisel is the QB coach for the Baltimore Ravens. Sherrill is in the Memphis area coaching special teams at a high school just to have something to do, not sure about the others. :lol:
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Postby webbmaster » Thu Jun 16, 2005 2:15 pm

Where are Jones and Neuheisal now??

Spending the NCAA's money.
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Postby Po Monkey Lounger » Thu Jun 16, 2005 8:31 pm

And where does the NCAA get its money? From all its members. So whose money is it? All the schools that belong.

And just who is the NCAA? The organization every Div. 1 school created and belongs to ---voluntarily.

Perhaps the Tide should just get out of the NCAA and just play semi-pro, European, and other foreign teams?? Then it wouldn't matter if ol Logan Young, Cottrell and others bought players ---- such would be legal. :roll: :roll:
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Postby webbmaster » Fri Jun 17, 2005 9:16 am

So, first you say that this case is a dud (not really knowing the particulars) and that no one ever wins.

Now you are telling me that Bama needs to drop out of the NCAA altogether?

If you join a "club" and you are prosecuted for wrongdoing while at the club, then you discover how screwed up the whole investigation process was-- you wouldn't voice concern? Interesting.

Fair enough...sounds like you have run out of valid points.

I guess I'd be spouting off like I knew everything too if I was an Ole Piss fan.

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