Governor election

[stang67]

I bet the people doing the counting were high.

[Wildfowler]

At least now they have a checks and balances in place for opioids.

I missed this earlier.

You really think the “checks and balances” on opioids are working? Opioid abuse has become one of the biggest scourges on society. And when a patient can’t buy “legal” pills they turn to illegal heroin.

Doesn’t seem to be working to me.

The manufacturers of these pills knew and maybe even misled how addictive these were and aggressively pushed their sales and usage.

I’ve not heard of anyone in the marijuana industry doing this but I’m not suggesting dope smoking will save America. I just don’t see it being as harmful as you described.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/29/heal ... ontin.html

[JLT]

This guy told me that medical marijuana would decrease opioid use. And this isn’t a dopey, run of the mill politician. Very successful guy.

[lilwhitelie]

At least now they have a checks and balances in place for opioids.

I missed this earlier.

You really think the “checks and balances” on opioids are working? Opioid abuse has become one of the biggest scourges on society. And when a patient can’t buy “legal” pills they turn to illegal heroin.

Doesn’t seem to be working to me.

The manufacturers of these pills knew and maybe even misled how addictive these were and aggressively pushed their sales and usage.

I’ve not heard of anyone in the marijuana industry doing this but I’m not suggesting dope smoking will save America. I just don’t see it being as harmful as you described.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/29/heal ... ontin.html

Yes it is working from a standpoint of you can’t just run to the “local” doctor and get whatever you want like in the past. They have certain amounts of what class drugs they can and the amount they can write or risk jail time or license forfeited. Basically the days of “back pain” and 150 oxycodone are over with. Made many physicians wealthy because they knew you would come back every month and bring plenty of people with you.

As for studies on weed it is so new there really aren’t any studies to compare to. Look at the job sector. What do they do??? Do they loosen their policy for random drug screening and zero tolerance??? Since you will test positive for a while there is no way to tell if your high or not. Alcohol is legal but do you want coworkers getting hammered at work??

As for crime you will be putting drug dealers out of business so what will they do?? You will still have crime just look at Chicago. Think legalization of weed will stop all the shootings??

I would mostly worry about the kids. The study cited again is just not a real study it’s so new. They won’t know affects for many years. In many homes weed is ok so how do you tell a kid in that environment not to do it if they see it everyday and usually it’s not from people working a 9-5 job.

Just legalization opens up a while new world of problems and some you won’t know about until you see the attorney adds for “If you or a loved one have ever smoked weed and now suffer from some dibilitating ailment please call now”.

Maybe I am wrong but I have a small child and they are already taking god etc out of the schools and I just don’t see where legalization of weed would add any positives to the future. Again you are just making money on people you make dependent on a “drug”. One study along with one cited showed an increase in infant/toddler overdose in legalized states due to excess contact. Like I stated some can smoke one joint and others will have a house full for everyone with no regards for what happens to others.

[lilwhitelie]

At least now they have a checks and balances in place for opioids.

I missed this earlier.

You really think the “checks and balances” on opioids are working? Opioid abuse has become one of the biggest scourges on society. And when a patient can’t buy “legal” pills they turn to illegal heroin.

Doesn’t seem to be working to me.

The manufacturers of these pills knew and maybe even misled how addictive these were and aggressively pushed their sales and usage.

I’ve not heard of anyone in the marijuana industry doing this but I’m not suggesting dope smoking will save America. I just don’t see it being as harmful as you described.


https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/29/heal ... ontin.html

If your theory on opioids is valid then why would those same people turning to heroin not just turn to weed?? Much easier to get I would assume and still illegal. Unless weed won’t satisfy the high they are seeking. Seen it with several people I know and some just can’t fight the demons and will tell you whatever you do NEVER try heroin etc or you will chase that high forever and lose everything to get it. It’s a sad thing to watch.

I guess you have to weigh the pros of legalization of weed vs the cons and go from there but sure will be a slippery slope to undo. Go back to when Nancy Reagan was fighting against it after such a surge just like we are seeing today. No difference just a different era now.

[Wildfowler]

I don’t know why. I suspect at that point it’s too late.

I don’t use weed now and I hope to never be in a situation where I am being prescribed oxi contin.

The thing about weed. It has been found to be less toxic to the body and less addictive than alcohol. Most adults that use it, use it responsibly in the same way that many adults use alcohol responsibly.

Sure there are people who will abuse it just like alcohol. I think that depends on your upbringing. I can think of teenagers I went to high school with that were daily users of pot or other drugs that grew into people who have now serious addiction problems. Not all did, some turned out just fine.

My point It’s a proven fact that the younger in life a person a person begins becoming intoxicated on a regular basis, the more likely they are become an addict.

By my way of thinking a pill/heroin addict might not be an addict at all if there was legal medical or recreational marijuana available when that person first developed problems with chronic pain.

I don’t know this for fact but I’m thinking that marijuana is only effective up to a certain threshold of pain?

[lilwhitelie]

I don’t know why. I suspect at that point it’s too late.

I don’t use weed now and I hope to never be in a situation where I am being prescribed oxi contin.

The thing about weed. It has been found to be less toxic to the body and less addictive than alcohol. Most adults that use it, use it responsibly in the same way that many adults use alcohol responsibly.

Sure there are people who will abuse it just like alcohol. I think that depends on your upbringing. I can think of teenagers I went to high school with that were daily users of pot or other drugs that grew into people who have now serious addiction problems. Not all did, some turned out just fine.

My point It’s a proven fact that the younger in life a person a person begins becoming intoxicated on a regular basis, the more likely they are become an addict.

By my way of thinking a pill/heroin addict might not be an addict at all if there was legal medical or recreational marijuana available when that person first developed problems with chronic pain.

I don’t know this for fact but I’m thinking that marijuana is only effective up to a certain threshold of pain?

My issue would be it would be made way more accessible to kids or teens if legal. Sure some teens do it now just like they drink when it’s illegal to do so but legalize it and watch what happens and there is zero info on the affects of a development of a teen that uses weed a lot.

Point is opioids are being abused by adults and aren’t being prescribed to teens etc at least not like adults without a very big reason and now it’s about impossible to get any the doctors are so scared of the DEA.

As for pain threshold I have no clue but would assume like most drugs if a little is good a lot would work better.

If this were utopia then it would be safe. Everyone would smoke a bit on there day off etc so it doesn’t affect working or wouldn’t do it around there kids to influence them that it’s ok. Looking at 2020 I feel weed is our least issue

[reservoirdawg]

Cannabis, alcohol, and opioids. One of these was present on the third day of The Creation. Man created the other two. Logic will hopefully prevail sooner than later.

[Wildfowler]

I agree with you that an employer should be able to know if their employees are currently under the influence. Same as law-enforcement for DUI.

Hopefully they’ll be able to develop some way of testing active intoxication level versus what is stored in fat cells for weeks after usage.

It’s big industry that’s poised to fly to the moon and I suspect there are companies trying to develop such a test as we speak.

[stang67]

If they legalize marijuana, will I be able to grow sunn hemp legally in my food plots, or will it still be considered a noxious weed?

[Wildfowler]

I wonder if there is enough demand for hemp fiber products that would prompt any farmers to convert acreage to hemp?

Wonder how hard it is to grow for industrial cultivation?

I’ve got no clue. But I bet it would make a great dove field with all the seeds?

[donia]

https://www.newson6.com/story/39913189/ ... ot-program
https://www.supertalk.fm/dupree-industr ... thejtshow/

there’s no infrastructure for it, in-state, yet. (Marcus) Dupree Industries has got the seed side covered, though!

[lilwhitelie]

I wonder if there is enough demand for hemp fiber products that would prompt any farmers to convert acreage to hemp?

Wonder how hard it is to grow for industrial cultivation?

I’ve got no clue. But I bet it would make a great dove field with all the seeds?

Dove love burnt millet and burnt sunflowers but not sure how burnt weed would work out for hunters or the dove. Be interesting for sure

[Wildfowler]

Dove love burnt millet and burnt sunflowers but not sure how burnt weed would work out for hunters or the dove. Be interesting for sure

Haha

Haven’t thought about burning it down for a dove hunt.

[teul2]

Dove love burnt millet and burnt sunflowers but not sure how burnt weed would work out for hunters or the dove. Be interesting for sure

Haha

Haven’t thought about burning it down for a dove hunt.

I'll come hang out while you burn it. May have to bring a couch and some chip too.