What do y'all think of Trump?

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Re: What do y'all think of Trump?

Postby NyssaAquatica » Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:21 pm

YoBenny wrote:It's not permanent that is exactly the point. It's better than it was, yes, but it is not a fair shake with the 1.5 trillion given to the big boys and as long as over 50% of congress and the senate are millionaires, you are right, it's about all you are going to get. But that's not enough, not even close to enough as our infrastructure crumbles and a lot of other serious problems. 4% of corporate companies did things to make life better for their employees. The rest just walked with the profits, even buying back their own shares to increase their own profits. It's not enough.
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Citizens united was the worst thing to happen to this countries politics in 100 years, and it is the worst CS decision in history. It has to go. Tax payers have to pay for elections, period.
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And while we are at it, no more electoral college.
Disagree. We must maintain the electoral college lest Middle America completely lose any political clout. Ensuring that all Americans have at least some representation was pivotal to the beliefs of the men who wrote the Constitution.
Also, the Democrats were given a golden opportunity last election. Trump is the most disliked candidate the Republicans have ever selected, yet they somehow managed to screw it up with their own internal party corruption. I can guarantee that Democrat voter turnout was 3-5% lower because party members were disaffected by how they rigged the primaries against Bernie and in favor of Hillary - who became the most disliked candidate they ever put forward. Just because they managed to turn a pot of gold into a $#!+ sandwich is no reason to overturn the Electoral College.
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Re: What do y'all think of Trump?

Postby YoBenny » Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:43 pm

"Frankly if you throw out the illegal and fraudulent vote, trump would have won in a landslide. "

You got any quantifiable proof of that? I'd sure like to see it.

I don't care if Hillary won, if she got the votes, she won, period.
I hate that beotch too believe me, but if she won, she won.
If we don't want oligarchs running the country then we have to do something about it, those two were the worst choices I can think of.

Getting rid of corruption in US government is an across the board prospect, unbiased and in quest of truth and justice regardless of where it is found.
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Re: What do y'all think of Trump?

Postby YoBenny » Thu Jul 05, 2018 10:57 pm

There is a small group of powerful wealthy people that are running this country and they are going to benefit from that more than the other 340,000,000 people here. If you think there is any real difference between them that is based on political affiliation, you are sorely mistaken. It shouldn't be about the repubs against the dems citizens right now, like some kind of stupid football game. It should be about the two of them against these fks who have taken control of our country. Don't be so naive to think it can be fixed without unity among the people of this nation. As long as this is a nation sorely divided as it is at this moment, they have us right where they want us. And neither side is going to fix a Gdamn thing.
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Re: What do y'all think of Trump?

Postby YoBenny » Thu Jul 05, 2018 11:13 pm

18 years ago this man was telling us loud and clear what TF is going on and he was right.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-14SllPPLxY&t=14s
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Re: What do y'all think of Trump?

Postby Wildfowler » Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:15 am

You hit it right on the head. As long as the country is divided as deeply as it is it’s going to be exceedingly difficult to correct anything.

I don’t believe Trump is part of the corruption in the country, I think just the opposite. I believe he is doing everything humanly possible to eliminate corruption in government. I think he got some bad advice with cabinet selection early in and I think he has corrupt people embedded in his administration.

I’m still holding out the slightest bit of faith that someone will face the consequences with the public hearings that are going on regarding the FBI handling of the Clinton email disaster.
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Re: What do y'all think of Trump?

Postby Wildfowler » Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:26 am

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Re: What do y'all think of Trump?

Postby Wildfowler » Fri Jul 06, 2018 7:48 am

Government monthly jobs report today showed an increase in unemployment to 4.0% this month. At first glance that one number sounds bad but when you look into the report it’s actually a good report because over 600,000 new individuals entered the workforce it self which is a significant increase.

It takes about 200,000 new jobs added to simply keep up with population growth per month.

It was also reported that currently there are more job postings for hire available than there are currently unemployed people in the country.
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Re: What do y'all think of Trump?

Postby YoBenny » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:08 am

I looked at several sources on alien voting, it seems a mixed bag where it's not clear who or how they do this in most places. It does seem clear that when they do vote they favor democratic candidates so this is naturally a larger concern for republicans, when in fact it should be a concern for both of them in equal measure.
A case could be made that their effects is countered at least in some part by voter suppression in various incarnations that has been a tool of the GOP for a long time in borderline elections.
Neither one of them is good for us, shoring up the voting system should be a priority but it has many facets to address. It should be addressed in a bipartisan fashion and seems corrupted from both isles.

I myself see the total fraudulent or absent votes to pale in effect compared to rampant dispersal of fraudulent information from all media sources on both sides that is building inaccurate perceptions of conditions to the end of one ideology or another. Americans are so parted not in what they want and need, they are parted in who they blame for not having them and what should be done about it. That comes from carefully cultivated perceptions of reality that are nothing short of high tech psychological warfare or to put it in old terms plain old propaganda from a wide range of sources across the political spectrum.
The truth has lost it's significance and nobody can tell what is real anymore, and nobody is being held accountable for doing this to the overall perception of the United States Of America. This is extremely dangerous.
The fairness doctrine needs to be rebuilt and reinstated protecting all citizens regardless of party affiliation from fraugulent information that is presented as facts to build a perception with.
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Re: What do y'all think of Trump?

Postby YoBenny » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:11 am

The jobs reports do nothing for me, I dont care if every single American who wants a job has one, if that job can't produce enough to house their families and pay for insurance then it is woefully inadequate and being cast as a significant accomplishment which it is not. Wages have been flat since the late 70's, families are being torn apart by low wages, kids are not getting the time they need from parents, the economy trogs along because everybody is in debt and has no extra income to spend and crank the economy along. Wages have to go up on the employee end and down on the employer end in a big way before the income gap can return to something healthy for the economy.
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Re: What do y'all think of Trump?

Postby stang67 » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:28 am

I work at a major manufacturing site. I work in a capacity that keeps gives me direct visibility of the investment that’s happening. I can absolutely tell you that the tax reform is putting LOTS MORE money in the pockets of hundreds of workers at my location, from minimum wage earners to 10-percenters. That number of impacted people is no doubt millions, when extrapolated over the region and over suppliers, vendors, etc.

Saying MORE isn’t “enough more” sounds to me like you want to complain for the sake of complaining. It takes all kinds, I suppose.
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Re: What do y'all think of Trump?

Postby Wildfowler » Fri Jul 06, 2018 8:32 am

Voter suppression?

Really that’s your argument? Are you telling me you think the local democrats especially the ones who are often professional gov’t system “teat suckers” can’t figure out how to place a vote or that somehow whitey is intimidating them on poling day?

Hogwash!

Yes, clean up any voting corruption on either side of the isle. That needs to be a priority. There needs to be a system of verifiable eligibility to cast a vote.

I can guarantee you you that law by Jerry brown will result in making it easier for illegals in CA to cast a vote. To think otherwise is being terribly naïve. And I know you’re not naïve.

Jobs: convenient of you to say that you disregard this portion of the trump improvement to the economy.

It’s true wages have been stagnant for the past decades primarily due to the policies of the both sides of the political class that has rules our country for decades. For me personally my take home pay has been about the same for the past 15 years. So having an extra $500 per month in disposable income is a welcome relief. (Reduction in tax rate and lower insurance premium)

Trump is different.

If you’re willing to work there are jobs available. Wages can only go up over time if there is a shortage of workers to fill those jobs. Unfortunately it may require people to move out of their comfort zone. I don’t dispute that the job market in the MS delta is probably on the bottom of the list, but there are jobs elsewhere. But you may have to move.
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Re: What do y'all think of Trump?

Postby YoBenny » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:09 am

The minimum wage has to go up by law, not rely on supply and demand to dictate that. Otherwise the slave labor will continue. I made no excuse for the corruption in voting, I just said it's a mutual affair and not in the hands of one of these parties.
Right now I'm just worried about getting busted. :wink:

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Re: What do y'all think of Trump?

Postby Wildfowler » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:19 am

Nice! Did you get that fly by today?

I’ll bet it was a lot louder than it sounded in the video.

Curious? How much do you think unskilled and unmotivated workers should be paid?

I believe that if you’re honest with yourself and go looking for it you will find enough evidence to show you that there is significantly more voter fraud occurring by the liberals than by conservatives.

It needs to stop on both sides for sure. It’s not fair to anyone and if Hillary had won fair and square based on how our system is currently set up then she would be my president and I would be calling her Madame president.

Thank God I don’t have call her president right now. She is a career criminal and I have been saying that for two decades now.
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Re: What do y'all think of Trump?

Postby YoBenny » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:24 am

Yeah we live a few miles from the base, they practice pretty regular and that was not a real fly by, sometimes they come by here clipping the tree tops and yes it is loud as hell but I love it. Laura hates it. Rumbles her prescious glass BS on the shelves ;-)
I think they should be paid a wage that allows for them to have the basics to live, including food and medical, so our govt doesnt have to give them that, as it does Wal Mart employees to the tune of $2 billion annually in snap benefits.
If a business can't afford to pay it's employees that, then it doesn't need to be in business, period.
The existence of a business does not justify the means to achieve it when it's employees cannot live on the wages that they pay.
Minimum wage needs to go up legally and it needs to keep going up, every year, to account for inflation.
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Re: What do y'all think of Trump?

Postby YoBenny » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:46 am

3 individuals in this country have more wealth than the bottom 140,000,000 people.
The top 5% own 85% of the nations wealth.
For some people, I guess that number would have to rise to 95% before they decided enough is enough, but for me, it's way past enough right now and something has to be done about it.
This is no longer a democracy, it's an Oligarchy. We let that happen, but there are things we can do to fix it short of the French Revolution solution.

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