RNT calls ID

[wap]

Hey guys, I'm new to the duck call collectors world but it is something that I've become interested in. Is there anyone who can explain the difference in saw cut and mill cut on an RNT call? I know what it is but how do you know the difference in one by looking at the insert? I'll hang up and listen

[GulfCoast]

Those terms are tossed around a lot on the call trader pages. They are usually used pretty loosely. All RNT calls are "milled" now on a CNC machine, and have been for many years, unless you have one jigged out by Butch. The old Daisy Cutters, some (non jigged) MVP's, and others were cut on a particular style of mill that left hazy white (depending on the color of the insert material) horizontal ridges across the tone board you can often see, and always feel with your thumb nail. I don't remember the years they were done this way, GH22, Tuel or Cupnglide might know.

There are many folks that think these "ridges" contributed to the "special" sound of the "old school" Daisy Cutters. In my experience, when folks are talking about "saw cut" or "mill cut" calls on the trader pages, they are referring to the same thing, these calls with the "ridges" on the tone board from tool chatter, and when they say "CNC'd" calls, they mean everything else. "Jigged" means Butch cut it out on his jig with a band saw. Never heard anyone call these "saw cut," they are usually called "jigged." When you see a call for sale and a pic of the reed pulled up to show the tone board, they are trying to show the ridges left by tool chatter. I will see if I can find a picture.

[GulfCoast]

Here are some pictures. The "saw cut" (really "milled") ridges are easy to see/feel in person, harder to photo with an iPhone. These are all from Daisy Cutters.

Pre-Scroll:





Full Scroll:




Full Scroll:




Hope that helped.

[cupnglide]

Great examples and explanation, GC. The old milling machines shaped the calls (particularly the toneboards) differently. Close inspection shows it.

I don't know if the "saw cut" is really the difference between older calls and newer calls. The story goes that RNT changed the mapping instructions many times, tweaking the shape, over the life of the calls. And they didn't take notes of the changes. So, they can't just pull up the mapping for a half-scroll OSDC and start spitting them out. That mapping is lost to time and changes in equipment (CNC). Sure, they could rescan someone's old OSDC. But John has said that he will not do that.

[wap]

Good info guy's. Thanks

[ScottyLee]

Great examples and explanation, GC. The old milling machines shaped the calls (particularly the toneboards) differently. Close inspection shows it.

I don't know if the "saw cut" is really the difference between older calls and newer calls. The story goes that RNT changed the mapping instructions many times, tweaking the shape, over the life of the calls. And they didn't take notes of the changes. So, they can't just pull up the mapping for a half-scroll OSDC and start spitting them out. That mapping is lost to time and changes in equipment (CNC). Sure, they could rescan someone's old OSDC. But John has said that he will not do that.

newbie on call collecting, and history of calls as well...

so, if the OSDC, pre scroll, full and half scroll are so popular based on the "sound" why would they not do that?

[GulfCoast]

Because John does not want to incur the total WRATH of the call collecting community that has supported RNT for decades by gutting the value of their OSDC collections. He is still selling a ton of calls.