Religious Liberty Law

[gps4]

So here in Mississippi, if a woman in that bathroom felt threatened and shot and killed this man, would she be justified?

Probably depends on what the dude did to make her feel threatened. Are we assuming that the woman in the bathroom had a reasonable belief of serious bodily injury or death? Dude walks in, steps in his stall, closes the door, drops trou and takes a slam...probably not justified.

Dude walks up to a locker, minds his business, disrobes and changes into his gym clothes, makes no remarks threatening sexual or violent acts towards the woman, probably not justified.

Would a heterosexual male be justified in shooting a gay homosexual male in the bathroom or locker room if he felt threatened by the homosexual because the homosexual did the same thing that the guy in your hypothetical did?

See, i think you're dancing around the gist of the situation. I saw none of those scenarios detailed in the article. As I took it, a man walks into a women's bathroom full of women, and starts to disrobe. My wife would have had him in the sights right there. The thought being that this man is coming into the bathroom to commit a rape as evidenced by his disrobing. No one was targeted, at least not yet in this scenario. But what other reasoning does he have?

In all honesty, there has to be other evidence.
1. What does the guy look like (yes we all profile)? Clean cut, well dressed, he may get a few more seconds of observation before the trigger pull. Scruffy and homeless looking, he's going to be staring down the barrel.

2. Does he have a gym bag? By this I mean a big nike swoosh logoed gym bag, not a vietnam era GI issued canvas duffle with blood stains on it. Gym bag gets him the same few more seconds being clean cut does. The later gets him a look at the gun again.

dude is going into a dressing room full of women to rape one of them? really?

i'm not dancing around the jist of the situation. the question was, if a woman in that bathroom felt threatened and shot and killed this man, would she be justified. i look at the article and ask what crime has been committed to justify using deadly force against the man. what has the man done to give the woman a REASONABLE apprehension of imminent bodily injury or death? just because someone believes that a man in a woman's restroom is going to rape or assault her does not justify killing him. the belief has to be a reasonable belief.

my wife an i are walking down a public street and a guy in a trench coat walks up, opens the coat and flashes his tallywacker at my wife and me. am i justified in shooting him down in the street? i do not believe so.

the article says that the women tried to make him leave. he refused to go saying he had a right to be here. i for one do not believe a man would walk into a dressing room full of women and try to rape one of them. based on the facts in the article, i believe she would not be justified in shooting and killing him because he was in the woman's bathroom.

[teul2]

i look at the article and ask what crime has been committed to justify using deadly force against the man.

That is where I think you are wrong. He hasn't committed a crime. Intent is the key here, not actual commission of a crime. And his intent is unknown. A reasonable person could well believe that a man in a women's bathroom like that is there with ill intent.

[gps4]

i look at the article and ask what crime has been committed to justify using deadly force against the man.

That is where I think you are wrong. He hasn't committed a crime. Intent is the key here, not actual commission of a crime. And his intent is unknown. A reasonable person could well believe that a man in a women's bathroom like that is there with ill intent.

ill intent to do what exactly? expose himself? rape one of the several women in the restroom? exercise his rights under a new and highly publicized law expressly allowing his presence in the bathroom? exercise his constitutional right to peacefully protest a new and highly publicized law allowing members of the opposite sex to use public restrooms? i have a hard time believing that a man would go into a bathroom full of women, disrobe, and intend to rape one of the several women in the bathroom.

also, there is a big difference in staring down the barrel and taking two in the chest. before someone goes pulling the trigger in that situation, they better have a dang good idea how they are going to prove the guy's intent.

i will agree that it is definitely in poor taste and very ill advised for a dude to disrobe in a women's locker room. from what i can tell, it does not appear to be against the law in mississippi, which surprises me in and of itself. but without more evidence than what is stated in the article, i cannot make the leap to say that if a woman in that bathroom felt threatened and shot and killed this man, would she be justified is killing him.

[teul2]

Here is my problem with all your responses, they are all reactionary. There is no inkling of situational awareness. All of my thoughts on any of the situations posed are relative to my preparedness within the first 5 seconds. Not 5 minutes into it when they are asking him to leave. The situation has greatly de-escalated by that point.

A sketchy looking dude walks up to me and my wife in a trench coat, my hand is on my gun. Maybe not drawn, but ready. He goes to pull anything out of that coat in an erratic manner, he sees the gun.

If I am a woman in that bathroom, as soon as I see that dude walk in, I am prepped for the worst. The second he starts to strip, he sees the gun.

[gps4]

Your question was whether a woman in the bathroom described in the article would be justified in shooting and killing the dude in the article. Article doesn't say anything about being sketchy looking or not having a gym bag.


"The second he starts to strip, he sees the gun" is a lot different than " the second he starts stripping, he gets shot and killed"

I think we both agree that, "honestly, there has to be other evidence." Without other evidence of the man having done more than what is described in the article, I do not believe she would be justified in shooting and killing him.

[1010]

And people like GPS

[simplepeddler]

It would be nice for people to have the option to do what's right vs being essentially forced to take the 30 pieces of silver.

That is good stuff!

[simplepeddler]

The issue to me is a deliberate and purposeful distortion of simpleness.........when we need legislation to enforce common sense, we are doomed. And have been doomed.

We are a nation of butt hurt, everyone gets a trophy people. We are roaring into mediocrity.

The LGBT movement is a joke.........black lives matter.......a joke..........kkk a joke......

The bottom line is good, hard working God fearing common sense simple people have been pushed aside.

if you combine ALL the groups mentioned above, it MIGHT make up 15-20% of our nation.......

The tail is wagging the dog in this country.

Mississippi has it right and so does North Carolina.

If you don't care for what the majority wants, move to a state that allows it.
Sooner or later, all the fringe will be on the west coast...........and I am good with that

[4dawgma]

True story, there's a new gas station out Gluckstat way that I've stopped at several times when I was working for a client out Livingston way. It was the last stop so I'd take a piss and grab a coke and pack of nabs or whatever. So one Saturday I was headed out and had to drop the deuce in a bad way. Of course the place was packed but at this point, I was out of options. Fortunately nobody was in the restroom so I slid right in and commence my bombing run. About mid-way into airstrike, someone tries to door. Sorry dude, but I blowing this bit ch up right now. Anyways, I get finished up and as I'm headed out the door this lady is there rummaging though her purse. She gives me strange look as I head to the cooler for a coke. On my way to the counter, I look back. Oh hells naw. Sure enough I'd just destroyed the lady's restroom! Not only that, but I'd been using it every time I've stopped there. Of course, I haven't been back since....

[Wildfowler]

That was you?