fees increasing

[fireplug]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Ms pass a constitutional amendment saying hunting and fishing was a constitutional right? Doesn't that null and void the need for a hunting / fishing license?

Don't bash me, I plan to buy mine to help the cause, but I wonder why the legislature is taking this up when the constitution says it's a right so you wouldn't need a license?

http://www.ms-sportsman.com/details.php?id=4279

[maverick21]

Not sure, I've had a lifetime license since 93 and both my boys have one and they aren't 2 yet. Mines paid for itself easily, I hate they did away with the $200 for kids under 2 but I understood. It was a steal.

I don't see a future where they will ever decrease.

[JaMak84]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Ms pass a constitutional amendment saying hunting and fishing was a constitutional right? Doesn't that null and void the need for a hunting / fishing license?

Don't bash me, I plan to buy mine to help the cause, but I wonder why the legislature is taking this up when the constitution says it's a right so you wouldn't need a license?

http://www.ms-sportsman.com/details.php?id=4279

Feel good legislation


"This proposed constitutional amendment establishes hunting, fishing and the harvesting of wildlife, including by the use of traditional methods, as a constitutional right subject only to such regulations and restrictions that promote wildlife conservation and management as the Legislature may prescribe by general law."

[booger]

As far as constitutional issue, no license needed, fuggetabout that. I'll let others give us a constitutional law opinion.

But I've got a fee problem on several levels. If you're asking for my money, it's business, so I need business financial reasons that logically explain why ANY organization needs more.

Every school district, every police department, every frigging government entity wants more money and just telling me it's 'cause we need more people, stuff costs more, and we haven't pinched you that much lately, ain't gonna cut it for me. I don't care if it's one damn dollar.

I need to hear license sales totals used to be "X", sales are down, the projected sales each year for the next ten years is "Y". Thus, we project that if we raise it by $$ we will have funding for the next ten years as $$$, and this will allow us to produce the following results: 50 new officers, 20 new boat ramps, etc. etc. etc. Also, here is our plan of action to increase license sales back to previous levels, (or at least prevent further erosion) etc. etc.

I'm a businessman, just like the rest of you. Have you ever been to a meeting or seen a proposal where somebody just says "I need XX dollars more" and everyone says okiedokie. Hail no.

If all of this has been spelled out somewhere and I missed this information someone please guide me there before I rant any further and look really stoopid.

When we were blessed with the "state duck stamp tax", I thought that was going to make rainbows happen everyday, whut happened?

If I can get a logical comprehensive financial explanation, I might be convinced, but until someone provides that, they can pound sand. It's hard to get someone new introduced to the sport, after you explain what all they must purchase, Uh-maybe later.

Also, raising out of state fee's, wait a minute there too. Right now it's an uneasy Mexican standoff on raising fees for out of staters, if we go up, unofficial reciprocal agreements come into play, then every bordering state goes up. It's going to hurt me, I hunt out of state as much as in state. Now I've got a double increase.

Same with deer tags, screw that. I'm the worst deer hunter on the forum. But how ridiculous to tag a dear. I can tell you that if I drop a fat nanny at dark thirty, am I supposed to cram a tag in it's ear? Then, even my lazy self could have it skinned and quartered with a buck knife and a bush hook in an hour. Do I pull the tag out of the ear and toss the tag in the cooler or do I dump the tag off of gut bucket ridge with the rest? When can I throw it away? Answer: After the state gets my tag money. I guess that I'm missing something.

And another thing....................Can you remember when you could launch a boat for free? Yes, that's right free, wow, you pay taxes everywhere, Pitman-Robertson is a good place to start. Then "they" ("they" represents any government entity) said "Well, what about a dollar a day to launch? This is all we need, lot's of upkeep you know, $hitters full". Lot's of people just said that'll be fine with me, it's only a dollar, about the price of a bag of chips, woopity doo.
Now it's $3.00 daily, and in the interim they came up with an optional annual fee, seasoned citizen special annual fee, golden ticket America pass permit, something else too I forget.

Let's just say it'll be $5.00 pretty soon. And if you forget to pay the fee and/or fail to hang the tag on your mirror, or otherwise screw it up, you get a ticket. Just great, have a nice day.

All this bull$hit because people rolled over for a dollar.

[SB]

..,before I rant any further and look really stoopid.

[hntrpat1]

As far as constitutional issue, no license needed, fuggetabout that. I'll let others give us a constitutional law opinion.

But I've got a fee problem on several levels. If you're asking for my money, it's business, so I need business financial reasons that logically explain why ANY organization needs more.

Every school district, every police department, every frigging government entity wants more money and just telling me it's 'cause we need more people, stuff costs more, and we haven't pinched you that much lately, ain't gonna cut it for me. I don't care if it's one damn dollar.

I need to hear license sales totals used to be "X", sales are down, the projected sales each year for the next ten years is "Y". Thus, we project that if we raise it by $$ we will have funding for the next ten years as $$$, and this will allow us to produce the following results: 50 new officers, 20 new boat ramps, etc. etc. etc. Also, here is our plan of action to increase license sales back to previous levels, (or at least prevent further erosion) etc. etc.

I'm a businessman, just like the rest of you. Have you ever been to a meeting or seen a proposal where somebody just says "I need XX dollars more" and everyone says okiedokie. Hail no.

If all of this has been spelled out somewhere and I missed this information someone please guide me there before I rant any further and look really stoopid.

When we were blessed with the "state duck stamp tax", I thought that was going to make rainbows happen everyday, whut happened?

If I can get a logical comprehensive financial explanation, I might be convinced, but until someone provides that, they can pound sand. It's hard to get someone new introduced to the sport, after you explain what all they must purchase, Uh-maybe later.

Also, raising out of state fee's, wait a minute there too. Right now it's an uneasy Mexican standoff on raising fees for out of staters, if we go up, unofficial reciprocal agreements come into play, then every bordering state goes up. It's going to hurt me, I hunt out of state as much as in state. Now I've got a double increase.

Same with deer tags, screw that. I'm the worst deer hunter on the forum. But how ridiculous to tag a dear. I can tell you that if I drop a fat nanny at dark thirty, am I supposed to cram a tag in it's ear? Then, even my lazy self could have it skinned and quartered with a buck knife and a bush hook in an hour. Do I pull the tag out of the ear and toss the tag in the cooler or do I dump the tag off of gut bucket ridge with the rest? When can I throw it away? Answer: After the state gets my tag money. I guess that I'm missing something.

And another thing....................Can you remember when you could launch a boat for free? Yes, that's right free, wow, you pay taxes everywhere, Pitman-Robertson is a good place to start. Then "they" ("they" represents any government entity) said "Well, what about a dollar a day to launch? This is all we need, lot's of upkeep you know, $hitters full". Lot's of people just said that'll be fine with me, it's only a dollar, about the price of a bag of chips, woopity doo.
Now it's $3.00 daily, and in the interim they came up with an optional annual fee, seasoned citizen special annual fee, golden ticket America pass permit, something else too I forget.

Let's just say it'll be $5.00 pretty soon. And if you forget to pay the fee and/or fail to hang the tag on your mirror, or otherwise screw it up, you get a ticket. Just great, have a nice day.

All this bull$hit because people rolled over for a dollar.

AMEN

[booger]

To be fair I just saw this posted on the MDWFP website:
http://www.mdwfp.com/media/297191/2015_ ... report.pdf

Looking at page 12, towards the bottom, WOW!!!, the non resident license sales generate 3 million more dollars on just 1/3 the individual sales of resident licenses. Did I word that correctly? Non residents spend a lot of money here.

What will it cost to drop a boat in the water and just go hunt in 2030? Or will you have to be drawn? Remember the Fed stamp went up too. What's next, state duck stamp tax, WMA fee?

2030, that's only 14 years from now.

Some of us can remember when you only needed a small game and Federal stamp. No WMA fee, No state duck stamp tax, No boat launching fee's. We killed a lot of ducks too.

I'm not anti MDWFP, but they really need a public relations person to get out front of this bill and explain the money side. Otherwise, I can't support this, or it'll be $300 in 2030.

[stang67]

Any fool can see the public hunting opportunities provided by our state are getting more and more numerous. Canemount is a WMA now, for Heaven's sake.

I kid. Seriously, what's the old house at Canemount being used for now? Inquiring minds...

[hntrpat1]

Government big whig throw downs They get crunk up in that mug #turndownforwhat

[Wildfowler]

They get crunk up in that mug #turndownforwhat

Can you please translate this to English ?

Haha

[SB]

they really need a public relations person to get out front of this bill and explain the money side.

This is very true. The MDWFP is not good at tooting their own horn. The MDWFP is tasked with a large responsibility of conservation and management of the natural resources within in the state boundaries. Both the consumptive (hunter and fisherman) and the non-consumptive (non-hunter) user benefit from Mississippi's natural resources.

No one wants to read a long list, so I will provide a short list of a few things the MDWFP does.

Youth:
- Youth Participation Initiative
- Archery in Mississippi Schools
- Hunter and Boating Education
- Fishing Rodeos

Wildlife:
- Assist landowner/hunting clubs to manage their property and wildlife to reach their management objective.
- Provide hunting opportunity on 53 WMAs that exceed 677,000 acres.

Fisheries:
- Provide fishing opportunity in 37 state lakes and parks totaling 7,676 acres
- Public waters program that has 119 public lakes, 123,000 stream miles, 225,000 fresh water acres.
- Technical guidance for private waters fisheries management.
- Fish hatcheries for stocking of public waters.

Law Enforcement:
- the obvious protection of wildlife and fisheries resources but conservation officers (COs) are often called on upon their county citizens to help with other law enforcement matters. It can range from non-hunting/fishing trespass, investigating a road killed black panther to working at a local school's career day.

There hasn't been a license fee increase since 1993 while the cost of everything has increased.

[arduckslayer]

To be fair I just saw this posted on the MDWFP website:
http://www.mdwfp.com/media/297191/2015_ ... report.pdf

Looking at page 12, towards the bottom, WOW!!!, the non resident license sales generate 3 million more dollars on just 1/3 the individual sales of resident licenses. Did I word that correctly? Non residents spend a lot of money here.

When a resident sportsman's license is 30 bucks and a nonresident all game is 300 bucks, it doesn't take long for that revenue number to get big.

[LODI QUACKER]

I say Burn the non res license fee up! look what Arkansas has done to us non residents the last few years. It would prob be cheaper to get caught with no lic than buying the oos lic in AR.

[SB]

Canemount's big house and 40 acres can be bought if your interested. A great opportunity for a bed and breakfast business.

[420 racin]

Not sure, I've had a lifetime license since 93 and both my boys have one and they aren't 2 yet. Mines paid for itself easily, I hate they did away with the $200 for kids under 2 but I understood. It was a steal.

I don't see a future where they will ever decrease.

I'm interested in how you bought a lifetime license for your boys that young. I was told from MDWFP when i tried to purchase one for my son that I couldn't purchase one for him until he was 6 years old???

As far as the license fees going up...I disagree with it totally. Just like someone said earlier, why do you need more money and what are you going to do with it? That would go along way, but we need more money "just because" doesn't cut it.

Wingman,

Where can we find a list/map of these 123,000 miles of public streams and waterways?