Mass shooting (San Bernardino)

[LODI QUACKER]

true. but you shoot, they are scared, you hit they are real scared. I feel like they thought they were anonymous and would go home get more stuff and go kill somewhere else. I think they were trying to get away, not die. They were going for more bombs and going somewhere else to kill. imo

[cwink]

true. but you shoot, they are scared, you hit they are real scared. I feel like they thought they were anonymous and would go home get more stuff and go kill somewhere else. I think they were trying to get away, not die. They were going for more bombs and going somewhere else to kill. imo

They would likely never even know you shot!!! There are 90+ people in that room, screaming, running, crying and dying.. Add in the semi-auto gunfire from their ARs and in this case, the fire alarm and sprinklers going off at the same time. Then figure in the adrenaline rush, time dilation, tunnel vision and auditory exclusion brought on by this type of high stress situations they would likely never know you even fired a gun, much less realize they are hit if you were actually lucky enough to connect with a shot. All these things happen to both the shooter and the victim under these events and they all dull the senses and the ability to perform normal functions. So unless you are able to gather some composure and focus on the basics of grip, sight alignment, sight picture, and trigger pull you are only going to be lucky if you hit them...

The number of hits under stress in defensive shootings is about 20%. If your packing a 8 shot semi that is 1.6 hits on target. Add to that that handguns are terrible "people stoppers" and your not in a very good situation here even with a full sized semi auto.. Just keep in mind that everything you see in Movies is WRONG, and most of what you hear at your local gun shop is not accurate as well..

[LODI QUACKER]

ok your are 100% correct..


now, new picture...10-15 ccw holders are carrying... some with 45's now what do the odds go to? Govt jobs? maybe some retired or ex military in that 10 -15. I would much rather be in this situation than a gun free zone.

[mshunter77]

Why I keep an AR in the vehicle. Hopefully my pistol will at least allow me to get to the vehicle.

[cwink]

ok your are 100% correct..


now, new picture...10-15 ccw holders are carrying... some with 45's now what do the odds go to? Govt jobs? maybe some retired or ex military in that 10 -15. I would much rather be in this situation than a gun free zone.

Agreed, but it's not the number of people that are armed it the ability of them to respond under stress. And in this situation I would rather be carrying a 9mm.. You get more rounds in the same sized gun.. I posted a long post about this yesterday on my SafeFire Shooting facebook page..Part of which includes this article from North MS..

http://www.wtva.com/news/Local_sheriff_ ... oting.html

More from that same post..

"So, will more guns help prevent this type shootings? In my opinion, No. Not unless we the gun owners take the initiative to train extensively and carry everday in every place we are legally allowed to carry.

"In my opinion if you wanted to prevent the mass shooting in CA it would have taken multiple concealed carry permits holders inside that Christmas Party that had the awareness to know to be on guard after the agitated shooter left the party. And had the training and ability to devise a plan and be prepared in case he returned. Upon his return, the shooters would have been immediately confronted with multiple armed citizens returning fire.
So the question is not, will more guns prevent these shootings? The question is will the citizens that own these guns take the responsibility to get trained and be prepared to respond if they find themselves in one of these horrible situations."


I you don't have facebook and want me to post the whole thing let me know..

[duckhunterdoc]

die. They were going for more bombs and going somewhere else to kill. imo


They would likely never even know you shot!!! There are 90+ people in that room, screaming, running, crying and dying.. Add in the semi-auto gunfire from their ARs and in this case, the fire alarm and sprinklers going off at the same time. Then figure in the adrenaline rush, time dilation, tunnel vision and auditory exclusion brought on by this type of high stress situations they would likely never know you even fired a gun, much less realize they are hit if you were actually lucky enough to connect with a shot. All these things happen to both the shooter and the victim under these events and they all dull the senses and the ability to perform normal functions. So unless you are able to gather some composure and focus on the basics of grip, sight alignment, sight picture, and trigger pull you are only going to be lucky if you hit them...

The number of hits under stress in defensive shootings is about 20%. If your packing a 8 shot semi that is 1.6 hits on target. Add to that that handguns are terrible "people stoppers" and your not in a very good situation here even with a full sized semi auto.. Just keep in mind that everything you see in Movies is WRONG, and most of what you hear at your local gun shop is not accurate as well..

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Agree w Wink--I have never shot some one or been Shot at" - But what he is describing fits the adrenaline rush ( not wanted) that I have felt on a " few Close Calls". The closest I have been able to get to practicing for the "real event" is----a competition shoot ( the stress)---or Body fatigue i.e.. shoot 15 rounds at 15 ft (fast) then try 50 pushups 50 sit ups 50 air squats 25 Burpees ( whatever melts you) and shoot again for comparison

[lilwhitelie]

IMO someone starts shooting at these 2 and they no longer have a soft target and they are out of there quick. These people were cowards shooting the folk they worked with and knew and knew they were unarmed.

I am not so sure about that..They walked slowly out of there, and drove away slowly, and expected to die soon "for the cause". Plus they also fired upon Police officers. Anyway, I am not sure that I would bet on them running away if you fire 6 rounds of 380 at them and then then you are done.

Would it not at least make them think?? Crap I just screwed up!! This ain't the gun free zone it was supposed to be, they aren't supposed to shoot back!! Like France for example.... As soon as officers stormed they simply blew themselves up. Just saying if it happened at a school or big building etc and you have 1 person firing back the terrorists will be more likely to run or leave that area to find easier targets. They have no way of knowing how many rounds you have etc. I mean at least give yourself a chance.

Kinda like open carries and robberies.. If the criminal thinks you are packing the odds they rob you drop. Not saying these terrorist shootings will stop, I Beleive they will ramp up to unheard of numbers in the next year out of fear a republican will take office and the unknown of what actions they will take. They want to instill fear in everyone. France has now shut down several mosques. That ain't PC but......do you think the USA would ever do that??.

[cwink]

IMO someone starts shooting at these 2 and they no longer have a soft target and they are out of there quick. These people were cowards shooting the folk they worked with and knew and knew they were unarmed.

I am not so sure about that..They walked slowly out of there, and drove away slowly, and expected to die soon "for the cause". Plus they also fired upon Police officers. Anyway, I am not sure that I would bet on them running away if you fire 6 rounds of 380 at them and then then you are done.

Would it not at least make them think?? Crap I just screwed up!! This ain't the gun free zone it was supposed to be, they aren't supposed to shoot back!! Like France for example.... As soon as officers stormed they simply blew themselves up. Just saying if it happened at a school or big building etc and you have 1 person firing back the terrorists will be more likely to run or leave that area to find easier targets. They have no way of knowing how many rounds you have etc. I mean at least give yourself a chance.

Kinda like open carries and robberies.. If the criminal thinks you are packing the odds they rob you drop. Not saying these terrorist shootings will stop, I Beleive they will ramp up to unheard of numbers in the next year out of fear a republican will take office and the unknown of what actions they will take. They want to instill fear in everyone. France has now shut down several mosques. That ain't PC but......do you think the USA would ever do that??.

My guess is each person would react differently and I can only speculate how one might react, but a common thief looking for a quick score would likely turn and run, but an extremist that is expecting to die on that day may not turn and run..Seems to me they would be more likely to fight..

[LODI QUACKER]

Better they fight with a few holes in them. You shoot, u may die, but you may die if you dont, then many more die. I would rather have 15 regular guntoters with no training than 0 guntoters when it hits the fan...

[booger]

You used to be able to figure you had one scenario to be prepared for, something like one bad guy at the ATM or your home backdoor. Things have changed.

When Pearl Harbor was bombed everybody woke up, took their head out of the sand, and was either drafted or signed up, and started killing.

Each radical muslim jihadi attack is just one small bomb, not a major event, it seems to get "investigated" and forgotten.

I'm not Rambo, but I've decided that if I suddenly find myself in an allah ahkbar maelstron of lead, I'm returning fire and not retreating into the bathroom. My decision has been made, my wife knows it, everybody knows it. Good men will have to die to keep our freedoms. I hope that I have the courage to do just that, I dunno, but I'm hoping everyone will adapt the same game plan. Bringing a pistol to an AK fight is a major whoopsie, but hell, if you find yourself already there, what the fork.
If I get whacked, I hope my magazine is empty and the scene looks like this, Syed Farook humping asphalt virgins in a pool of blood.


When Yamamoto bombed Pearl Harbor his quote (although the internet research police may disagree) was essentially "I fear all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve." Until all of America wakes up, gets a backbone, we are screwed.

KEEP CALM AND RELOAD

[booger]

Oh yeah, another thing, rant continued: On September 11th, as events began to unfold I had to pull myself away from the TV and get to work. I had no idea what was going to happen next.

Would I look up to the sky and see Chinese paratroopers?

Would every able bodied man be called upon to secure every bridge, railroad, airport, tunnel?

I loaded the car down with 1,200 rifle rounds, all of my unloaded magazines and a capable long gun and went to work. I realized then that an unloaded magazine is useless, weak springs ain't gonna happen in my lifetime.

WE HAVE NO IDEA WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT BUT IT WON'T BE INCENSE, PEPPERMINTS PEACE AND LOVE, GETTING ALONG AND MY FAVORITE................."WE NEED TO ALL COME TOGETHER".

[stang67]

Yall got it good. I can't even have a firearm in my vehicle at work. Makes it tough to keep one close.

[LODI QUACKER]

Sure you can. if it goes in front of the right judge it really doesn't matter what the Company rule book says.


Just don't get caught.

[cwink]

Short and to the point

https://primaryandsecondary.com/2015/12 ... onception/

[ransco33]

I'm surprised a community center in California would have a Christmas party.

According to Obummer it was a "holiday" party. No mention at all of it being a Christmas Party last night during his speech.