Yet another topic to kick around....

[cwink]

Mexicans are the ONLY people that want to work. We've been through SIX white guys since February. SIX. They've just left, not shown up, lied about us and our company, bad mouthed us. Ever had a problem from an amigo? Nope. One kid, didn't finish 11th grade, had 3 kids, living with momma, and made $700+ after taxes one week. Proceeded to not show up (after we've given him a few chances) then is telling everyone we got in his face and cussed him (never even had a stern talking with him) and we weren't going to work him in like a N*****.

They are the only people willing to do the dirty work, farming, landscaping, etc. Kick them out, nothing will be getting done.

If they are a criminal, yep send them back, please. But the ones we've experienced (and have working for us) are all stand-up guys and I would take them over a white or black guy anyday.

Once they get "here" and get on the system, they are just as bad if not worse than any other demographic about milking the system.... dont believe me? Take a drive out to LA, or to Texas, or any other southwestern border State. The ones the government want to keep are these.... because they know they will most likely vote to keep all their benefits they never paid taxes towards.... why do you think the Dems are screaming amnesty so loud?

As far as farm labor, which always seems to creep into this topic, there are already programs which allow immigrant workers in LEGALLY, they work until the crop is in or out and then get a bus ticket home, where they are accounted for at the border. Other seasonal businesses have access to theses programs, but its mainly promoted in the Ag business. Most all of your bigger farms are already on these programs due to the Wage and Hour assholes constantly showing up to audit them every other year. Small ones, some are, some aren't.

One thing I will agree on you with is that the US labor pool is generally lazy and unmotivated. Everyone seems too good to work a shovel or lay brick these days.... not saying there arent exceptions but our labor force sucks.

Y'all are both correct.. I spend the first 24 years of my life just 3 hours from the border.. There have been illegals streaming across the border for as long as I remember.. Every hunting camp or cabin that I have ever been a part of down there has had illegal immigrants break into it.. Some of them multiple times. I remember one afternoon when I was about 12 on a guided hunt near Laredo riding around in the truck with the guide and have a couple of different groups or immigrants run up to the truck and ask for directions.. Later on that night I sat on the upper deck of the camp house and looked over the landscape and saw about 8 - 10 campfires in the brush and the guide telling us those are all groups of illegal immigrants that just made it over the border... In college on our trips to South Padre we would regularly see van pull over on the side of the road and fling open the doors and 4-5 Mexicans jump our and run into the brush on the King Ranch.. Then a few minutes later we would see a border patrol truck with about 6 or so horses in a trailer unloading and heading South towards the border to round any illegals up.. So the immigration problem has always been a big deal...

But the people that were coming across the border were for the most part good hardworking men that were trying to make a living and sending most of the money back across the border to support their families. Those that did break into our hunting camps only took food and water and sleep.. Several times we had forgotten firearms in the camp and they never touched those... The illegal immigration got so bad at times that we would leave the camper open just to keep them from breaking the window and started leaving boxes of food and water for them..

The majority of these people would work hard and sent back money to their families and would do their best to assimilate into our culture, learn the language and obey the laws.

Today a larger and larger portion of the illegals coming across are looking for the easy way or are involved in drug running.. My mom lives on a large ranch in Tx and at least a couple times a year they have drug runners that are being chased by DEA or Border Patrol come onto the ranch and they have to go into lockdown in the home until they are caught or chased off the property.. More and more of the people that come across are whole families. Not just Father, Mother and kids, but brothers, sisters, cousins, aunts, etc.. They tend to have less work ethics and want more handouts.. My hometown is or was called "The Sparkling City by the Sea" but it is slowly turning into a semi third world city with trash all around and a culture that doesn't look like what I knew growing up.

Now before you go off calling me a racist, because I actually had a former church member call me this when I had this same discussion with him.. I will have you know that I have many Hispanic relatives both by marriage and by blood and most of them feel the same way..

The problem with most folks around the country that don't live in border states or even close to a border state they see what I see when I was a kid.. A few of the hardworking illegal immigrants working hard to support their families.. They don't see what is happening to the border cities and states as more and more of the illegals are coming looking for handouts.. When I moved to MS in 1996 there I saw very few Hispanics people here in the state and over the last 20 years the population has grown and I have seen more and more "family groups" that gather in their own areas and do not assimilate into our culture.. In another 20 years it will be worse..

Close the border, make it easy for those looking for work to support their families to get Visas to work here and enforce the current laws on the books!!!! Any illegal involved in criminal activity should be immediately deported.. If they come back a mandatory 5 years in prison and then deported again.

[davidees]

That sounds fair. And if the work programs are a joke, fix them.

[jacksbuddy]

Being married to an immigrant, maybe I have unique perspective. Here's my idea, and it will work.

1) Let ICE do their job. They are actually pretty darn good at what they do, so let them do their work.
2) Include an IRS agent on every ICE team when they raid businesses.
3) Every single illegal alien caught is given an option. They can either immediately pay all the needed fees and costs associated with the legal immigration process and TRY to become a citizen of the United States (this would require them to pass a very extensive background check. If they don't pass, then they are immediately deported. All fees are non-refundable), or they can simply be deported immediately.
4) Any business caught employing illegal aliens must immediately pay all costs associated with these employees becoming US citizens - these costs include fees, permits, sponsorships, etc.

Caveats -
A) If a business cannot, or is unwilling, to pay these costs, the IRS immediately seizes assets to cover these costs.
B) If the alien is able and wishes to join the military; AND passes their requirements for service, they are immediately 'fast-tracked' to citizenship.
C) If the alien's country of citizenship refuses to accept them back (as is happening in some cases of late) then that alien is simply dumped as close to that country as possible - not as 'humanely as possible', just 'as possible'. If this means the poor slob has to swim through a mile of shark infested waters, then good luck.

I expect the following results:

1 - Word will spread that coming to the US illegally is NOT a good idea.
2 - The outstanding debt of the United States (currently approaching $20,000,000,000.00) would drastically reduce immediately.
3 - Current government expenditures for social services would be dramatically reduced at every level - federal, state, AND local.
4 - Quality of governmental services provided would increase.
5 - The economy in all areas of the country would improve.
6 - The quality of life throughout the United States of America would improve greatly.

Any questions? You can thank me later.

[jacksbuddy]

For what it is worth, and before y'all crucify me for my last post, please remember this -

If you come to the United States of America and become a U.S. citizen, then you can sponsor and bring any and all of your family to the US, and they do not have to qualify under the quota system.

[teul2]

Take this source for what it is, unknown, and probably not balanced, but if this is true, it makes the story a little more sticky.
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[jacksbuddy]

Being married to an immigrant, maybe I have unique perspective. Here's my idea, and it will work.

1) Let ICE do their job. They are actually pretty darn good at what they do, so let them do their work.
2) Include an IRS agent on every ICE team when they raid businesses.
3) Every single illegal alien caught is given an option. They can either immediately pay all the needed fees and costs associated with the legal immigration process and TRY to become a citizen of the United States (this would require them to pass a very extensive background check. If they don't pass, then they are immediately deported. All fees are non-refundable), or they can simply be deported immediately.
4) Any business caught employing illegal aliens must immediately pay all costs associated with these employees becoming US citizens - these costs include fees, permits, sponsorships, etc.

Caveats -
A) If a business cannot, or is unwilling, to pay these costs, the IRS immediately seizes assets to cover these costs.
B) If the alien is able and wishes to join the military; AND passes their requirements for service, they are immediately 'fast-tracked' to citizenship.
C) If the alien's country of citizenship refuses to accept them back (as is happening in some cases of late) then that alien is simply dumped as close to that country as possible - not as 'humanely as possible', just 'as possible'. If this means the poor slob has to swim through a mile of shark infested waters, then good luck.

I expect the following results:

1 - Word will spread that coming to the US illegally is NOT a good idea.
2 - The outstanding debt of the United States (currently approaching $20,000,000,000.00) would drastically reduce immediately.
3 - Current government expenditures for social services would be dramatically reduced at every level - federal, state, AND local.
4 - Quality of governmental services provided would increase.
5 - The economy in all areas of the country would improve.
6 - The quality of life throughout the United States of America would improve greatly.

Any questions? You can thank me later.

BTW, It's 'later' now.

Also, I was asked my opinion of 'anchor children'. You know, the children of illegal aliens who are born in this country? And my opinion is this -

They are U.S. citizens. Their citizenship is NOT in jeopardy. The law of the land clearly states that. However, their parents are not U.S. Citizens. The illegal parents must leave, the citizen children are free to choose. If they go with their parents, then they are allowed to do so freely. If they leave and change their mind later and want to come back, that is no problem because they are still citizens of the United States of America. If they want to stay, then they are free to do that freely as well. Once they reach the age of majority, if they want to sponsor their family to come to the U.S., the law clearly states that they may do so without regard to the quota system. (This means they can bring over Mom and Dad, Grandma and Grandpa, their crazy uncle, the weird aunt, everybody.)

Ponder THAT and tell me what you think.