McDaniel v Cochran - Thoughts

[donia]

^^^i've noticed this, too...i don't know if it is the slight smirk/tight smile or if it is the inflection/cadence of his speaking.

[Deltamud77]

^^^i've noticed this, too...i don't know if it is the slight smirk/tight smile or if it is the inflection/cadence of his speaking.

I think so...he just seemed too polished. In my experience in life, when something seems too polished, it is possibly because it is hiding something else.

[chopper30]

I'm voting Thad. I don't believe in career politicians, but also am not a fan of the Tea Party's emotional, infectious, knee jerk reactions splitting the Republican party. They claim they are doing good, but all they are really doing is dividing conservatives and letting Democrats like Pelosi, Obama and Reid run the country. Had one argue me that Thad hadn't done anything for MS and that McDaniel was in touch with us... How can any self proclaimed educated person claim that Thad hasn't done anything for this agricultural state?

Y'all do what you want, but most of you are missing the big picture and just jumping on the ship. Back in college, I was asked to sign a petition about on campus parking. This petition had literally hundreds of signatures. Reading it I asked why anyone would sign this petition to eliminate on campus parking? The two coeds seeking signatures had no idea that's what the petition was for and were just trying to be involved and "help". That's what I feel these crazy Tea Party leaders are doing to the public. Sometimes I feel like the same people leading this "movement" are the same folks you see on that Dombs Day Preppers tv show.

And you all should be educated enough to not believe everything you hear from political advertisements especially PAC funded advertisements that the candidates cannot legally be involved with. Is this really how some of you decide who you are voting on?

[peewee]

I'm voting Thad. I don't believe in career politicians, but also am not a fan of the Tea Party's emotional, infectious, knee jerk reactions splitting the Republican party. They claim they are doing good, but all they are really doing is dividing conservatives and letting Democrats like Pelosi, Obama and Reid run the country. Had one argue me that Thad hadn't done anything for MS and that McDaniel was in touch with us... How can any self proclaimed educated person claim that Thad hasn't done anything for this agricultural state?

Y'all do what you want, but most of you are missing the big picture and just jumping on the ship. Back in college, I was asked to sign a petition about on campus parking. This petition had literally hundreds of signatures. Reading it I asked why anyone would sign this petition to eliminate on campus parking? The two coeds seeking signatures had no idea that's what the petition was for and were just trying to be involved and "help". That's what I feel these crazy Tea Party leaders are doing to the public. Sometimes I feel like the same people leading this "movement" are the same folks you see on that Dombs Day Preppers tv show.

And you all should be educated enough to not believe everything you hear from political advertisements especially PAC funded advertisements that the candidates cannot legally be involved with. Is this really how some of you decide who you are voting on?

That is good and all but when Thad voted to fund Obamacare he lost my support.

[mudsucker]

^^^THIS^^^

[billjohnson]

You boys don't have to worry about me voting for your Senator because I'm in Alabamy but anybody that votes for a single incumbent deserves what they get. Seniority be damned! That's what's wrong with the whole system. There was never any intent of a career politician and I'll never vote for an incumbent for dogcatcher. One term is good enough for all of them. Sorry, that just popped out!

[Hambone]

Chopper30 is spot-on.

[deltadukman]

I'm voting Thad. I don't believe in career politicians, but also am not a fan of the Tea Party's emotional, infectious, knee jerk reactions splitting the Republican party. They claim they are doing good, but all they are really doing is dividing conservatives and letting Democrats like Pelosi, Obama and Reid run the country. Had one argue me that Thad hadn't done anything for MS and that McDaniel was in touch with us... How can any self proclaimed educated person claim that Thad hasn't done anything for this agricultural state?

Y'all do what you want, but most of you are missing the big picture and just jumping on the ship. Back in college, I was asked to sign a petition about on campus parking. This petition had literally hundreds of signatures. Reading it I asked why anyone would sign this petition to eliminate on campus parking? The two coeds seeking signatures had no idea that's what the petition was for and were just trying to be involved and "help". That's what I feel these crazy Tea Party leaders are doing to the public. Sometimes I feel like the same people leading this "movement" are the same folks you see on that Dombs Day Preppers tv show.

And you all should be educated enough to not believe everything you hear from political advertisements especially PAC funded advertisements that the candidates cannot legally be involved with. Is this really how some of you decide who you are voting on?

Youre correct, Wanye, but ponder this. Do you have an idea which party a majority of the delta farmers vote? They dont openly admit it, and this is going to pizz a lot of people off, but the majority of them vote Democrat. Why? The subsidy checks they get are just like the welfare system. Sure, it helps us all in a global economy, but I could sell more insurance in Germany if the governemnt would help me with my cost sharing. Sure it helps MS, and MS doesnt really make a hill of beans in the National Debt problem we have, but a cut in teat sucking anywhere is a step in the right direction. Thats the double edged sword that makes this election so tricky. We lose Thad and we lose seniority in the Senate which gets MS entitlment money and funding. That same entitlement and special intrest money that we wont get with McDaniel also wont help add to the debt this country is in. Sometime you have to take a step in the right direction, no matter how small it may be.

[fireplug]

Who on here thinks the current incumbents would ever vote to support term limits? (cherp, cherp,crickets) Yep, that's what I thought. Until we get a new crop of people in office that support term limits (Which McDaniels does) then we will never correct the system. But maybe that's what everyone wants. Maybe everyone wants to stay on the government tit. I pray for our country, and if anyone thinks Thad Cochran is or ever has been a patriot for this country, you are living in lala land. Not saying McDaniel will be either, but all I can go on is what the man told me himself. He's for term limits and plans to introduce it when he gets there. Good enough for me. See how many of you get Thad to even talk to you let alone say he's for term limits. (40 yr vet) It's in the Good Lord's hands and what ever happens is his will whether we like it or not.

[Deltamud77]

Obviously, the Mississippi PEP blog is solidly in McDaniel's corner...it appears that blogs like Yall Politics is solidly in Cochran's corner.

Here is a recent article supporting McDaniel.

http://mississippipep.wordpress.com/201 ... after-all/

The National Chamber of Commerce has launched a new ad with an old theme against Senator Chris McDaniel. In it, they attempt to relaunch the brand of “trial lawyer” unsuccessfully promoted months ago by the Mississippi Conservatives PAC, a group organized to reelect Senator Thad Cochran.

To say this ad is misleading is an understatement. We’re talking about a man in Senator McDaniel who has voted for every tort reform measure to come before him for a vote as a state senator. We’re talking about a man whose career has been defending businesses against frivolous lawsuits.

We’re talking about a man who has been named a BIPEC business champion, has a 95 percent lifetime rating by the National Federation of Independent Business, and was named one of the top 50 lawyers in the state by the Mississippi Business Journal. We’re talking about a man who fought over the past several years to finally pass the Small Business Regulatory Flexibility Act in 2013 in Mississippi, a law that allows small businesses to directly challenge burdensome regulations.

We’re talking about a man who has owned his own businesses, and a man that donated his time to sue the federal government to stop ObamaCare.

The negative ad by Cochran’s lobbyists is not only distasteful and without merit, it is even worse. You see, the one single case they reference proves the charge to be an outright lie. This ad borderlines on criminal.

Senator McDaniel never argued to do away with caps on damages brought about by tort reform, as the ad claims, NEVER. The ad simply attempts guilt by association just like so many other hateful and distorting ads before. Because, the ad claims, McDaniel represented a client in one hearing, then he is somehow guilty of arguing for that same client in a separate argument, an argument of which even the court documents show McDaniel had no part. It’s a ludicrous claim.

But what is the most galling isn’t that the National Chamber of Commerce would lie to maintain their power hold and lobbying strength in Washington. What is particularly galling is that they would do it with the blessing of a 42-year incumbent who says he represents YOU.

Gentleman Thad? Really?

And one from Yall Politics taking a stab at the Tea Party...http://yallpolitics.com/index.php/yp/post/37595/

Harkening back to George Orwell’s novel ‘1984’, the leadership of and the fringe element within the Tea Party are becoming a Conservative Thought Police, and show no signs of easing their move toward such practices when you consider their actions in this year's midterm elections.

The Tea Party began with a call for a reduction in the national debt by reducing government spending and, ultimately, taxes. Worthy goals, indeed. It enjoyed wide appeal initially due to its "taxed enough already" message resonating with hardworking Americans, primarily in the South and Midwest.

Most conservatives overlooked the flamboyant revolutionary period costumes and big top antics because the intent was evident, the motivation was just, and the recognition of a growing problem was overdue.

However, fast forward a few years and now an ultra small band of leaders of the Tea Party have directed the fiscal policy movement into a political machine aimed at purging the Republican Party of, well, Republicans. It is literally 400 or so zealots trying to act like 400,000.

This evolved Tea Party or rather, Conservative Thought Police comes complete with daily emails directing readers to respond to stories they don't like, big money PACs, candidate endorsements, and even competing factions within its own ranks. It is as if they are out to create a new form of establishment as they tear down the current establishment they so vehemently rage against.

Nowhere has this been more evident than in the Mississippi US Senate race. Any opposing political and cultural expression is suppressed if it is not in favor of their chosen candidate, state Sen. Chris McDaniel. Speak a brief word of praise or affirmation about Thad Cochran and watch the arrows fly; someone, somewhere is watching.

Follow a few of the extreme Tea Partiers and you're sure to see quite a bit of their intense vitriol towards those who even slightly differ with their view of the political world. They are literally willing to burn the Republican ideological house down over a few narrow set of beliefs.

If you don't blindly agree or readily accept their point of view (God forbid you make them think or question their reasoning), they resort to name calling, collective degradation, and passing off their assumptions as fact.

Coward, scum, idiot, RINO and other names are what they like to call fellow conservatives that don't wholeheartedly get on board with their agenda. You're "not a conservative" if you don't think and believe just as they do. They will curse you in one post and then proclaim their love for Jesus as they note their singing in the church choir on the next. Yet they call you the hypocrite.

[Deltamud77]

Question...what does the Republican Party represent now?

If you look at national, establishment Republicans like Boehner and now Haley Barbour and Jeb Bush, it seems that they represent:
(1) Large business (See the National Chamber of Commerce)
(2) The Military Industrial Complex
(3) Amnesty for Illegals
(4) I assume religious freedom
(5) Pro-Gun Rights
(6) they claim to be for less entitlements
(7) they claim to be anti-abortion


What else?

What does the Tea Party represent?

(1) Balanced Budget
(2) Lower taxes
(3) Against amnesty
(4) Stronger borders
(5) Strong military - less international involvement
(6) reduced entitlements
(7) strongly anti-gay marriage
(8) strongly anti-abortion
(9) Less government involvement in all aspects of life.

[jwayne]

[quote="chopper30"]I'm voting Thad. I don't believe in career politicians, but also am not a fan of the Tea Party's emotional, infectious, knee jerk reactions splitting the Republican party. They claim they are doing good, but all they are really doing is dividing conservatives and letting Democrats like Pelosi, Obama and Reid run the country. Had one argue me that Thad hadn't done anything for MS and that McDaniel was in touch with us... How can any self proclaimed educated person claim that Thad hasn't done anything for this agricultural state?

Y'all do what you want, but most of you are missing the big picture and just jumping on the ship. Back in college, I was asked to sign a petition about on campus parking. This petition had literally hundreds of signatures. Reading it I asked why anyone would sign this petition to eliminate on campus parking? The two coeds seeking signatures had no idea that's what the petition was for and were just trying to be involved and "help". That's what I feel these crazy Tea Party leaders are doing to the public. Sometimes I feel like the same people leading this "movement" are the same folks you see on that Dombs Day Preppers tv show.

And you all should be educated enough to not believe everything you hear from political advertisements especially PAC funded advertisements that the candidates cannot legally be involved with. Is this really how some of you decide who you are voting on?[/quote]


Maybe it’s time these conservatives you talk about take a look at themselves and see if what they are currently doing is working. Here is a hint "It is not unless you are one of them".... If they were conservative then there would be no need for the Tea party in the first place. Do you remember when the Tea Party first came about? Man, every Republican and some Democrats, in the country jumped on board and were all in love until they found out that "true conservative" affected the way they currently operate. Open your eyes man. Put the Cool Aid down. Until people decide that there is no difference in Republican and Democrat they are all the same and that it’s really us against them nothing will change. But that’s what the Tea Party offers and why I will vote for true change. You seem to be a really intelligent person. Think about it…..

[chopper30]

So what all you non-incumbent guys are saying is if Thad wins the primary that y'all are going to vote for Travis Childers?

[chopper30]

I bet he's for term limits, until he gets to Washington. I've never in my life heard a politician running for office at any level lie to a person to tell him what he wants to here.

Vickers, trust me I know what the majority of delta farmers vote. That's why Benny is still in office. He takes care of them, they take care of him.

That's what it's about, our elected officials taking care of us. Whether you believe they should give you free insurance, cell phone, food stamps or whether you believe they should support conservation, infrastructure and gun rights or whether all you care about is balancing the budget, you are voting on the person you think will best take care of you. I personally care about conservation (of coarse I'm not one of the tin hat guys that thinks DU and the Feds are shortstopping ducks), infrastructure, gun rights, and protecting our country both here and abroad while not putting my great grand kids in debt. Does that mean I'm for lower taxes? Yes on some things, but also think the State and Federal gas tax should be increased by at least 25% if not reworked all together, think the Federal duck stamp price should be doubled (I've bought two stamps each of the past two years) and don't mind food stamps being in the farm bill as long as conservation initiatives are included as well. It's give and take, just like my marriage. I'm not saying your opinion is right or wrong, I am saying that for a fact the Tea Party is splitting conservatives and hurting the party (both Republican and Tea Party voters alike) while the Democrats are sitting back loving it. You can't build the Empire State Building over night. What everyone should be worried about is the liberals, not how conservative a conservative candidate is. The most moderate conservative is better than a liberal.

I really didn't expect to get this many comments, and don't have time to address them all. Sorry,

[jwayne]

As I self-proclaimed Independent Conservative, I don’t vote by party (Don’t believe in them) so I would not rule out Travis Childers until I had a look at him...Can’t remember much about him.

And also one other thing
You said "How can any self proclaimed educated person claim that Thad hasn't done anything for this agricultural state?" I can’t stand when people bring this up. And my answer would be that he has but, THAT’S HIS JOB. THAT’S WHAT HE WAS SENT THERE TO DO.

Would you recommend a plumber who, let’s say, stopped your toilet from leaking but also took a dump in your living room floor. I would think not but it’s the same principle.