got to love Game Wardens

[Seymore]

I'll answer the question posed earlier about why we have chokes at all. It's so the ducks have at least a sporting chance. Let's say a flock comes in and you are loaded for bear with 1 in the pipe and with a mag extender on you got 6 or seven waiting. You are going to unload all the shells on that one flock and if you are any good knock down your 6 plus might accidentally hit more. With only 3 you get at most 3 and have to wait on another flock to come in to finish your limit if one even does come in. For argument lets say they are all gadwalls and not even bother with only being able to shoot 4 mallards, 1 pintail, blah, blah, blah.

Plug.

Dang. I give up. Battery is shot in my neurostim and I'm hurting. I've been doing stupid crap all week. Just waiting until the doc puts me on the surgery schedule.

[LODI QUACKER]

dont plug on your choke,

i mean, tug on your plug.

I mean choke on your plug.

[Seymore]

dont plug on your choke,

i mean, tug on your plug.

I mean choke on your plug.

[Down South Gratton]

So here is the most up to date info on my ticket I got. I went to the police office to pay the ticket. I found out that the GW didn't know but I have to go to court. He said the ticket was pay able before hand. I also found out that the GW wrote down the wrong time for my hear with the judge or he entered it wrong into the system. So if I hadn't tried to pay the ticket I wouldn't have shown up on the right date and time for my court date and a search warrant would have been posted for me not showing up. Then I asked if the gun could be presented in my case to show what the GW did when he checked my gun using ammo they said no. So I'm going to my court hearing now and I'm not going to pled either way and tell my story and leave it up to the judge. Wish me luck

[MudHog]

As the World Turns.


Next up.... GH22 on Ellen for his coming out the closet speech.

[Bercy]

Isn't there a scene in My Cousin Vinny about trying to explain things and not pleading guilty or not guilty?

Judge Chamberlain Haller:
The next words out of your mouth better be guilty or not guilty. I don't want to hear commentary, argument, or opinion. If I hear anything other than guilty or not guilty, you'll be in contempt. I don't even want to hear you clear your throat. Now how do your clients plead?

Vinny Gambini:
I think I get the point.

Judge Chamberlain Haller:
No, I don't think you do.

[Wingman]

How'd it go, DSG?

[Down South Gratton]

My court hearing isn't till Dec... So I have a while to wait

[peewee]

You see Judge, What had happened Was

[ibillfish]

I heard he caught some guys hunting on Christmas Day once and he paddled up to them in a ditch behind them, when he got close enough for them to hear him he started singing "here comes Santa Claus". Haha.

Didn't happen exactly that way but it was on Christmas Day.

[Seymore]

I've never been to court to contest a ticket but I think I would be asking what additional cost, if any, is possible for contesting the ticket. I would think if you win there's probably nothing. If you lose what is court cost and all that going to run on top of the ticket..

Dude, I don't know you but you sound like someone who honestly had no idea about what was required equipment and what the legal requirements are to duck hunt. I can empathize with you. It sucks. You were doing the right thing not loading a 4th and probably had no idea the gun would even do that. Then you get hit with something like this. All that said you need to just pay the ticket and chalk it up as a learning experience. I can assure you this will not be the first time or the last that the officer or the judge has herd this. If you think about it you'll see he had to give you a ticket and the judge will have to rule against you. If they didn't then every shotgun in every duck blind in America will have a plug that's to short and would allow 3 2&3/4 shells and only 2 3inch shells. And every duck hunter would say the same thing when the law arrived and in front of the judge. All that after they dumped the 2&3/4 over the side.

I was in a similar situation when I was in college. I was coming onto interstate from the ramp and had not even shifted all they way to high gear. Right then a semi went by that had to be doing 90. A highway patrolman was going he opposite way and hit the blue lights and turned in the median. I thought great, that idiot trucker is going to get it. WRONG. He pulled me over. He walks up and asks if I had any idea how fast I was going. I said about 40 and started laughing. He then asked if I was drunk or was I being a smart butt. I told him no and thought exactly like you, all I had to do was explain this to him. My girlfriend, wife now, was in the truck with me and told the officer the same thing. He clocked the semi and not me. It didn't matter one bit. It sucked and I was ticked for a week about it but still had to pay it.

Take all this for what it cost you, nothing. Just my opinion and advice. I'm an idiot and don't know what I'm talking about. So say the 5 females I live with.

[jacksbuddy]

According to what I was told one time by a lawyer friend of mine, if you contest the ticket and lose, then you have to pay the fine. If you contest the ticket and win, then you don't have to pay anything. My suggestion? Contest it and see what happens. Then, come onto ducksouth and tell all of us what happened. Inquiring minds want to know.

[gps4]

So here is the most up to date info on my ticket I got. I went to the police office to pay the ticket. I found out that the GW didn't know but I have to go to court. He said the ticket was pay able before hand. I also found out that the GW wrote down the wrong time for my hear with the judge or he entered it wrong into the system. So if I hadn't tried to pay the ticket I wouldn't have shown up on the right date and time for my court date and a search warrant would have been posted for me not showing up. Then I asked if the gun could be presented in my case to show what the GW did when he checked my gun using ammo they said no. So I'm going to my court hearing now and I'm not going to pled either way and tell my story and leave it up to the judge. Wish me luck

did you go to the police station or the justice court?

THIS IS NOT, NOR SHOULD IT BE CONSTRUED, AS LEGAL ADVICE. That being stated, if I was in a similar situation, I would plead not guilty. I would then be given a trial during which the county prosecutor would call the game warden to testify about what happened. he will explain what he did and i would be given the opportunity to question him. my questions would go something like this:

how long have you been a LEO?

--As a LEO, you swore an oath to uphold the law, right

--since you became and LEO, have you had occasion to duck hunt or dove hunt??

-----how often?

-----what model gun did i have in my possession the day you checked me?

------you have used one of those when you hunt ducks or doves, right?

------have you ever used one for any other reason?

-------are you familiar with how to properly load the make and model of gun i was using?

you have even used a pump or semi-automatic action shotgun to hunt ducks or doves, right?

------you have used 3" shells in a pump or semi auto to hunt ducks or doves, right?

------you have used 2.75" shells in your pump or semi-auto to hunt ducks or doves?

------you have even had 2 shells loaded into the magazine of the pump or semi auto shotgun you were using while hunting ducks or doves?

------ever have more than 2 shells loaded into the magazine of the pump or semi auto shotgun you were using while hunting ducks or doves?

-----------------but you've never written yourself a citation for using an illegal gun while duck or dove hunting, have you?

-----------------and you've never asked your partner to write you a ticket, right

when you checked me and my gear, did you find me to be in violation of any other game laws?

How many hunters did you check the day you checked me?

How many hunters have you checked since that day?

-------how many people did you check that day that had a gun that held two 2.75 shells in its magazine?

-------you didn't write each and every person using a pump or semi-auto shotgun that held only 2 2.75" shells in the magazine a ticket for using and illegal gun, did you?

-------what is it that makes me guilty of having an illegal gun, but not the others you checked?

did anyone else see you load three shells being loaded into the magazine of my gun?

did anyone record the gun being checked?

-----you do have the capability to make video recordings of your checks, don't you?

----- but you decided not to record this one?

----- if you had recorded it, we would know exactly what was done durign you search, right?

----- if you had recorded it, we would know exactly what was said, right?

----- because you didn't record it, we can't know for sure exactly what happened and what was said during the check, right?

you didn't load my gun the first time, did you?

------ only three shells would fit in the gun when your partner loaded it, right?

------ you don't have personal knowledge as to how long the shells were used by your partner, do you?

you can't tell the judge exactly how long my shells were, can you?

------you didn't actually measure my shells did you?

----- you don't know if they were factory shells or re-loads do you?

------ if they were reloads, you don't know what equipment i would have used to load them, do you?

------- and, you don't know whether the reloading equipment was accurate or not, do you?

You didn't use my shells to load my gun did you?

------your partner used my shells to check the gun, didn't he?

------you didn't find any shells in my possession the length of which would allow more than two shells to be loaded in the magazine at a time.

you didn't you keep the shells your partner used and submit them through the proper channels for evidence in this case?

------you have absolutely no idea where those shells are today?

You used your shells to check my gun, right?

------ did you submit the shells you used through the proper channels for evidence in this case?

------you didn't actually measure the shells you used, did you?

------you don't have any photos or video recording that show exactly how long the shells are?

if what you say it true, you would be able to show the judge that more than two shells fit in the magazine, right?

after you checked my gun, you didnt keep it did you?

----- you didnt submit it to the proper evidence room did you?

----- you dont have it with you today do you?

if you had kept my gun, and submitted it through the proper channels for preserving evidence, you could show the judge that it held more than two shells in the magazine?

there was a plug in my gun, right?

how long was the magazine tube on my gun?

-----did you measure it?

there wasn't an magazine extension on it was there?

-----as far as you know, it was the factory magazine tube?

the factory plug was in the factory magazine tube, right?

-----you agree that the most common size 12 gauge shotshells are 2 3/4", 3" and 3.5", right

------isn't it true that factory plugs are designed so that no more than two 2 3/4" inch shells can fit in the magazine?

you don't have any evidence to actually show the judge that my gun held more that two standard length shells the day you checked me, do you?

you agree with me that when hunted hunt ducks or doves with 2 3" shells in your pump or auto shotgun magazine, you were using an illegal gun, right?

you agree with me that while you hunted ducks or doves with 2 2.75" shells in your shotgun magazine, you were using an illegal gun, right?

isn't it true that aguila makes 12 ga. shells that are 1.75" long?

-----isn't it true that 3 1.75" shells will fit in a magazine that is plugged to only allows 2 3" shells

-----isn't it true that 3 1.75" shells will fit in a magazine that is plugged to only allows 2 2.75" shells

is it your opinion or belief that it is illegal to hunt ducks, doves or geese with a pump or semi-automatic action shotguns that holds 2.75" shells in its magazine?

it is your opinion or belief that the law you are seeking to enforce today effectively makes every pump or semi-auto action shotgun that holds no more than 2 2.75" in its magazine illegal for hunting ducks, doves and geese, right?

but you've never written yourself a citation for using an illegal gun while duck or dove hunting, have you?

and you've never asked your partner to write you a ticket, right?

what is it that makes me guilty of a using an illegal gun, but not you?





the only rights we have are those we are willing to fight for. just some things to think about.

[rustypjr]

use an over and under, end of story.

[peewee]

So here is the most up to date info on my ticket I got. I went to the police office to pay the ticket. I found out that the GW didn't know but I have to go to court. He said the ticket was pay able before hand. I also found out that the GW wrote down the wrong time for my hear with the judge or he entered it wrong into the system. So if I hadn't tried to pay the ticket I wouldn't have shown up on the right date and time for my court date and a search warrant would have been posted for me not showing up. Then I asked if the gun could be presented in my case to show what the GW did when he checked my gun using ammo they said no. So I'm going to my court hearing now and I'm not going to pled either way and tell my story and leave it up to the judge. Wish me luck

did you go to the police station or the justice court?

THIS IS NOT, NOR SHOULD IT BE CONSTRUED, AS LEGAL ADVICE. That being stated, if I was in a similar situation, I would plead not guilty. I would then be given a trial during which the county prosecutor would call the game warden to testify about what happened. he will explain what he did and i would be given the opportunity to question him. my questions would go something like this:

how long have you been a LEO?

--As a LEO, you swore an oath to uphold the law, right

--since you became and LEO, have you had occasion to duck hunt or dove hunt??

-----how often?

-----what model gun did i have in my possession the day you checked me?

------you have used one of those when you hunt ducks or doves, right?

------have you ever used one for any other reason?

-------are you familiar with how to properly load the make and model of gun i was using?

you have even used a pump or semi-automatic action shotgun to hunt ducks or doves, right?

------you have used 3" shells in a pump or semi auto to hunt ducks or doves, right?

------you have used 2.75" shells in your pump or semi-auto to hunt ducks or doves?

------you have even had 2 shells loaded into the magazine of the pump or semi auto shotgun you were using while hunting ducks or doves?

------ever have more than 2 shells loaded into the magazine of the pump or semi auto shotgun you were using while hunting ducks or doves?

-----------------but you've never written yourself a citation for using an illegal gun while duck or dove hunting, have you?

-----------------and you've never asked your partner to write you a ticket, right

when you checked me and my gear, did you find me to be in violation of any other game laws?

How many hunters did you check the day you checked me?

How many hunters have you checked since that day?

-------how many people did you check that day that had a gun that held two 2.75 shells in its magazine?

-------you didn't write each and every person using a pump or semi-auto shotgun that held only 2 2.75" shells in the magazine a ticket for using and illegal gun, did you?

-------what is it that makes me guilty of having an illegal gun, but not the others you checked?

did anyone else see you load three shells being loaded into the magazine of my gun?

did anyone record the gun being checked?

-----you do have the capability to make video recordings of your checks, don't you?

----- but you decided not to record this one?

----- if you had recorded it, we would know exactly what was done durign you search, right?

----- if you had recorded it, we would know exactly what was said, right?

----- because you didn't record it, we can't know for sure exactly what happened and what was said during the check, right?

you didn't load my gun the first time, did you?

------ only three shells would fit in the gun when your partner loaded it, right?

------ you don't have personal knowledge as to how long the shells were used by your partner, do you?

you can't tell the judge exactly how long my shells were, can you?

------you didn't actually measure my shells did you?

----- you don't know if they were factory shells or re-loads do you?

------ if they were reloads, you don't know what equipment i would have used to load them, do you?

------- and, you don't know whether the reloading equipment was accurate or not, do you?

You didn't use my shells to load my gun did you?

------your partner used my shells to check the gun, didn't he?

------you didn't find any shells in my possession the length of which would allow more than two shells to be loaded in the magazine at a time.

you didn't you keep the shells your partner used and submit them through the proper channels for evidence in this case?

------you have absolutely no idea where those shells are today?

You used your shells to check my gun, right?

------ did you submit the shells you used through the proper channels for evidence in this case?

------you didn't actually measure the shells you used, did you?

------you don't have any photos or video recording that show exactly how long the shells are?

if what you say it true, you would be able to show the judge that more than two shells fit in the magazine, right?

after you checked my gun, you didnt keep it did you?

----- you didnt submit it to the proper evidence room did you?

----- you dont have it with you today do you?

if you had kept my gun, and submitted it through the proper channels for preserving evidence, you could show the judge that it held more than two shells in the magazine?

there was a plug in my gun, right?

how long was the magazine tube on my gun?

-----did you measure it?

there wasn't an magazine extension on it was there?

-----as far as you know, it was the factory magazine tube?

the factory plug was in the factory magazine tube, right?

-----you agree that the most common size 12 gauge shotshells are 2 3/4", 3" and 3.5", right

------isn't it true that factory plugs are designed so that no more than two 2 3/4" inch shells can fit in the magazine?

you don't have any evidence to actually show the judge that my gun held more that two standard length shells the day you checked me, do you?

you agree with me that when hunted hunt ducks or doves with 2 3" shells in your pump or auto shotgun magazine, you were using an illegal gun, right?

you agree with me that while you hunted ducks or doves with 2 2.75" shells in your shotgun magazine, you were using an illegal gun, right?

isn't it true that aguila makes 12 ga. shells that are 1.75" long?

-----isn't it true that 3 1.75" shells will fit in a magazine that is plugged to only allows 2 3" shells

-----isn't it true that 3 1.75" shells will fit in a magazine that is plugged to only allows 2 2.75" shells

is it your opinion or belief that it is illegal to hunt ducks, doves or geese with a pump or semi-automatic action shotguns that holds 2.75" shells in its magazine?

it is your opinion or belief that the law you are seeking to enforce today effectively makes every pump or semi-auto action shotgun that holds no more than 2 2.75" in its magazine illegal for hunting ducks, doves and geese, right?

but you've never written yourself a citation for using an illegal gun while duck or dove hunting, have you?

and you've never asked your partner to write you a ticket, right?

what is it that makes me guilty of a using an illegal gun, but not you?





the only rights we have are those we are willing to fight for. just some things to think about.

Very impressive but you forgot one thing. He mentioned THEY CAME and checked us. Do you not remember what the AG told Warren County prosecuters last year. Case Dismissed, and no I am not an attorney but I do sleep at Holiday Inn Epresses.