Scandal Week?

[mshunter77]

So first the reports about OK State now the reports about Fluker, Barron, Cox, and other SEC players getting paid.

[hillhunter]

After the Manziel fiasco, and Cam Newton's father pimping him out, I think they would have to have some really concrete evidence to make anything stick, I'm talking photos of money exchanges or a definite money trail which is electronically traceable. Short of that, its just some other jackstick wanting publicity and money for starting the rumor wagon. Thats how I feel about the SEC allegations.

With the OKS AD coming out with his apologetic comments it seems there may be some weight to the story.

[Deltamud77]

If only LSU fans could be so lucky to get rid of Miles and have Bama get on probation and Saban fired.

[Jrh215]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--doc ... 13237.html

seems like there could be some weight to this. looks like they've got pretty good documentation for all of this.

[hillhunter]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/ncaaf--documents--texts-reveal-impermissible-benefits-to-five-sec-players-202513237.html

seems like there could be some weight to this. looks like they've got pretty good documentation for all of this.

Yea I just got through reading it too. Someone really seems to have done their homework on this one, rather than just spewing off some gossip with nothing to back it up. Knowing how Saban feels about agents around his team, he is probably fuming over this, as are the other coaches.

Didnt really read the UT allegations much, but it seemed like MSU had the least serious of the accusations, since we are on a probationary period, we will likely lose 30 scholarships and have four years with no bowl game or TV. AL and UT will have to give up two three star walk-ons next spring and write a 1000 word essay apologizing and promising to nip this in the bud. The only thing which might save State from major penalties is the fact that there are two other schools tied to this.

[Deltamud77]

Money came from an agent (that is a Bama alum), unbeknownst to Saban. Nothing to see...seriously.

That said, Saban (like the rest) is dirty. I know that for a fact. If the NCAA really wanted to investigate any major program, it would get ugly. They don't want to open that box because the lid will not go back on...

[skywalker]

Deltamud- 'for a fact, Saban is dirty'..........care to elaborate on the facts with sources?

This stinks and the agents should be fined. Yes, the players made a choice whether this all sticks or not, however, the ones offering the $ should be disciplined. If this happened after the football season and games were over.....would be hard to penalize the entire team.

[webbmaster]

The funny thing about this is a few years ago when Saban went off on agents, people actually ridiculed him for saying it.

I guess they will take away our NC from last year. Thats ok...we will just win another one this year...

[webbmaster]

Deltamud- 'for a fact, Saban is dirty'..........care to elaborate on the facts with sources?

It's the same story....knows someone inside the LSU booster/athletic department that knew some things while he was at LSU. Big deal. Everybody has a "source." Kind of like Danny Sheridan..

He is right about the fact ALL programs have some dirtiness going on. However, I fail to see in this instance where this has anything to do with Saban.

You have boosters paying recruits to come to a school and you have players already in school that get benefits from NFL agents. Which is worse? I guess whichever has a paper trail.

[Deltamud77]

Deltamud- 'for a fact, Saban is dirty'..........care to elaborate on the facts with sources?

This stinks and the agents should be fined. Yes, the players made a choice whether this all sticks or not, however, the ones offering the $ should be disciplined. If this happened after the football season and games were over.....would be hard to penalize the entire team.

Skywalker, maybe one day over a beer, but I am not going to tell anyone what I know or how I know it over a message board...particularly someone I don't know personally (no offense). I regret even mentioning anything in this thread...it was low-brow and amateur to be honest. I don't want to be that guy and I willingly put myself in that position...shame on me.

As to what could happen, if the players were technically ineligible because they had forfeited amateur status by taking money, then the NCAA rules are very clear that games must be forfeited as well. This has happened over and over again. It still doesn't mean anything. The LSU players and fans know who won on January 9, 2012, and it wasn't LSU.

I do agree that neither the team, nor the staff, should be punished moving forward for players taking money from agents (unless the school or coaches knew about it and did nothing to stop it). I doubt Saban knew anything because he has publically called agents out more than any coach in the country.

The problem for Bama (or any other school that gets investigated) are the other issues that may pop up during an investigation. That is the danger for LSU (if Miles is investigated) and that is the problem for Bama if they are investigated. If the NCAA wanted to find blatant infractions, they are right there for the taking at both schools (and probably any other school in the SEC).

[Greenhead22]

Much ado about nothing concerning Miss State. Most of that crap was done AFTER both Bumphis and Cox were going pro. Looking at roughly $325 was accepted before their amateur status was over, Bumps plane ticket and two meals at Dooey's. The main finger is pointed at Fluker, but every article I see about it has Miss State plastered all over it like we are the worst part of it all.

[webbmaster]

I agree with your assesment DM77.

If an Alabama player broke the rules and got caught, then if the rules say games must be forfeited, then so be it.

[Deltamud77]

Much ado about nothing concerning Miss State. Most of that crap was done AFTER both Bumphis and Cox were going pro. Looking at roughly $325 was accepted before their amateur status was over, Bumps plane ticket and two meals at Dooey's. The main finger is pointed at Fluker, but every article I see about it has Miss State plastered all over it like we are the worst part of it all.

I think that is just a matter of perspective. Fox Sports 1 covered this pretty fairly last night as to the allegations and they spent probably 80% of their time talking about possible implications for Bama (never mentioned State to any real degree and vaguely mentioned UT losing a player this weekend because of it).

Heavy is the head that wears the crown.

I think one thing appears to be certain, just about every time a major SEC cheating scandal is unearthed, State is involved to some degree. I'd be nervous as a MSU fan. Of course, as an LSU fan, I am also nervous because I know Miles is gonna get us in trouble too.

[mshunter77]

First thing is I think that Saban is 100% correct about these agents and the way they recruit these players. Second I do not for one second doubt that Bama has not bent or broken the rules when it comes to recruiting or giving current players benefit. Know how much of it does Saban know about I have no idea. I think you can say the same thing about every other successful program. It is only going to get worse in the future because right now the NCAA looks like a joke. After the Cam Newton and Miami fiascos and then Manziel only getting half a game after multiple sources said thy paid him, the NCAA looks like a joke. Would the NCAA hammer Bama on this to make a point? I am not sure but it would not surprise me.

[hillhunter]

I would hope not. It doesn't appear that any school really did anything wrong. To me it lies on the shoulders of the athletes and agents. Both parties knew what they did was wrong. Neither covered their tracks very well at all.