how about an opinion or two on the limits.....

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Postby Copen » Mon Jan 03, 2005 10:22 pm

Cut the days in the season back not the limits. If all you guys were killing ducks and the limit was only 4 ya'll would bitch we could not kill enough birds.


If what I continually hear is "poor habitat in the prairie pothole region" then put the majority of the money in creating better habitat in that area.


This is the exact reason we should all support Delta Waterfowl and not DU. They are actually trying to restore the breeding grounds up north instead of spending your money on some guys land in Lousiana daming up a spot to hold water so the ducks can "rest". FYI, ducks do not breed down here where we hunt, they breed up NORTH.

Does no one remember a few years back when DU tried to get some of the farm bill money. I know the farmers do. I have friends in the farming industry that still to this day will not even buy anything with the DU logo on it, myself included.

As for spinners. Who really cares if hunters are honest and it helps them kill their limits. If they are killing only their limits. We have four spinners and never use them any more. We have started using quiver magnets, does not flare the ducks like a spinner.

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Postby SoftCall » Mon Jan 03, 2005 11:15 pm

This is the exact reason we should all support Delta Waterfowl and not DU.


We should all support both - Rob Olson does :wink: Yep - told me one time that he was a member of DU....that's right...the head honcho at DW said we should support both.

I think that our resident DU biologist on the site posted proof that DU has built/preserved habitat in Canada just last week.

my .02.

Anyway - based on what I see sometimes on this site, limits are irrelevant because no one is killing ducks. They aren't shooting them in MN either based on write ups from the twin cities....weather cycles are shorter and later....the seasons should be moved out if they are going to be shortened and limits lowered. Lowering limits this year isn't going to put more birds on your strap next year.

There are only 999 variables that impact the season....changing limits alone will not help based on other factors that are in place today (no till farming, winter precip, jet stream, 3.5" mags, spinners, CRP, global warming, polar ice cap melting, they closed the Pig Stand in Belzoni.....the list goes on).

Freeze them out and hammer the hell out of them for a couple of seasons with back to back droughts in the spring and early summer...basically slow production drastically...maybe lower limits are justified then.

I saw another comment (as seen before) that lowering the limits would get rid of all of the "cool" hunters and only purists would stick it out. Are only the "cool" hunters killing ducks? :roll: I think that attitude is generated by frustration and the need to place blame somewhere but it is a double edged sword. Get people "not" interested in ducks and you basically clip your own nads.

Just a question for a few who frequent the area....what's MO looking like right now???
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Postby jkm1272 » Tue Jan 04, 2005 8:34 am

The "cool hunters" are in it only while it is good. They are creating much more pressure on the ducks. I never said they were killing the ducks. But to be "cool" most use top of the line spinning decoys, and blare their calls like it is a calling tournament. There is a big difference in calling to ducks and calling in a trounament.

I own my on land, but there is little land in the South Delta, that is not being rented. 10 years ago you could hunt where ever you wanted. Now every hole is leased by someone from Jackson, Memphis, or AL. I don't blame farmers for getting all of the money they can, but the pressure is definetly coming from the "cool hunters".
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Postby torch » Tue Jan 04, 2005 12:23 pm

WE NEED A 3 DUCK 30 DAY SEASON
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Postby Greenhead22 » Tue Jan 04, 2005 12:31 pm

torch wrote:WE NEED A 3 DUCK 30 DAY SEASON


If that happens then there will be a bunch of guide services that will go out of business.....no way someone will pay $250-600/day to kill 3 birds.
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Postby jkm1272 » Tue Jan 04, 2005 12:43 pm

So what if some guides go out of buisness.
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Postby torch » Tue Jan 04, 2005 12:45 pm

That's the whole point GH22. If you reduce the limits and the days hunting pressure drops. I remember the late 70's early 80's with the point system I could hunt anywhere I wanted to. Lots of days I would be the only person hunting in a 25 mile radius. Now every field, roadditch or creek has been leased or bought.

The worst thing I have ever seen is someone leases a great duck hole. They think to get there money's worth they have to hunt it every day am and pm. This ruins the hole and may never be worth a chit again. I have seen this time and time again in the last 5 years.
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Postby jkm1272 » Tue Jan 04, 2005 12:48 pm

AMEN TORCH
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Postby Millenium Mallard » Tue Jan 04, 2005 1:38 pm

GH22.....they're paying that now and still not killing 3 birds each, so what's the difference? And yes, they (the rich) would still pay that much to hunt if the limit was 3 or 4, solely because they can...

What we have is a season that KEEPS the ducks from having safe refuge and food for an ENTIRE WINTER......Why would a duck even want to come to Mississippi nowadays unless hell has frozen over and all the food supply is under 12" of snow? Answer....there is no reason and that is just what is happening....

Imprinting of juvenile birds is not happening and as long as that continues, we will have less and less birds visiting our state each year until it's useless to even go afield.

Our season didn't even open until the second Saturday in December just not so many years ago....when that happened, Louisiana and Arkansas' seasons had been in full gear for damn near a month and ducks resided in this state unharassed and built a sense of confidence in the area.....now, from November through the end of January, they are blasted in every single hole in the state...why would a duck want to come here? They don't and aren't.......unless the drastic happens and the don't have another choice, and that's what we are left with today.......

If something is not done to limit ourselves and access in this state, ducks will be a thing of the past in the near future....it's happening already....and has declined drastically in just the last 5+ years....

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Postby Millenium Mallard » Tue Jan 04, 2005 1:43 pm

Bottom line.....open January 1 through the last day of January/maybe first sunday in February.....3or 4 ducks.....let 'em use the state....let 'em use our fields, oxbows, rivers, ponds, and let everyone else push 'em here.... Most of us hunt other states throughout the season anyway and most of ya'll know that we don't get major influxes of ducks until January anyway.....so deer hunt from Thanksgiving till after Christmas then bust the hell out of the ducks in January....
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Postby Model12 » Tue Jan 04, 2005 2:05 pm

The season has been spotty for us. Real good at times. We just need weather. Friday five us killed 22 including one band. That was our best day so far. I've seen tons of geese, greys also. Those crazy gadwalls are giving the mallards bad habits. Lots of skimming in and out of the dekes. I'm lucky on the spiners, I'd rather use a jerk string. With working ducks, it still works best. IMO....
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Postby Chad Manlove » Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:08 pm

Copen wrote:Cut the days in the season back not the limits. If all you guys were killing ducks and the limit was only 4 ya'll would bitch we could not kill enough birds.


If what I continually hear is "poor habitat in the prairie pothole region" then put the majority of the money in creating better habitat in that area.


This is the exact reason we should all support Delta Waterfowl and not DU. They are actually trying to restore the breeding grounds up north instead of spending your money on some guys land in Lousiana daming up a spot to hold water so the ducks can "rest". FYI, ducks do not breed down here where we hunt, they breed up NORTH.

Does no one remember a few years back when DU tried to get some of the farm bill money. I know the farmers do. I have friends in the farming industry that still to this day will not even buy anything with the DU logo on it, myself included.

As for spinners. Who really cares if hunters are honest and it helps them kill their limits. If they are killing only their limits. We have four spinners and never use them any more. We have started using quiver magnets, does not flare the ducks like a spinner.

Just my pennies. Opinions are like elbows everyone has a couple.

Your pennies don't add up to anything........

If you'd take just a minute to actually learn what DU has accomplished on the breeding grounds, you wouldn't make such an uninformed comment.

DU has perpetually protected over 300,000 acres of waterfowl breeding habitat in prairie Canada. DU has restored and enhanced over 1 million acres of grassland and wetland habitat throughout Canadian provinces.

DU has helped protect over 100,000 acres of grasslands in the Dakotas. Not to mention, thousands of restored wetlands throughout the breeding grounds of the US.

To imply that DU is doing nothing on the breeding grounds is a JOKE. $15 million from DU banquets in the US are sent to prairie Canada for habitat conservation. Please identify another non-profit that puts that kind of money on the breeding grounds.....you can't.

DU did not try to get Farm Bill money.....I've posted this information about 5 times now.......With regards to the 2002 Farm Bill, here’s what I know. Let me start off by saying farmers and farming communities have been instrumental in conserving habitat for waterfowl. You are correct….farmers have played a big role in providing winter water for duck habitat (i.e., flooding fields with use of water control structures). Farming communities have utilized conservation programs like WRP and CRP to restore marginal agricultural lands back to productive forested wetlands and moist-soil habitat. Throughout North America, conservation of waterfowl habitat would not occur without help from the farming community. Farmers have been DU’s biggest partner / cooperators to date.

DU staff worked with House Ag Committee staff and offered proposals to improve conservation titles in line with our priorities by redistributing funds among conservation provisions of the bill. DU never proposed shifting funds from commodities to conservation titles.

DU supported the Boehlert/Kind amendment because the conservation titles were more in line with our priorities. DU was not fully aware nor did we support diverting money from commodity titles of the Bill.

Did DU support the conservation measure of the Farm Bill? Absolutely….the conservation programs like WRP, CRP, WHIP, GRP provide tremendous benefits to many wildlife populations. If it were not for CRP, we would not have seen the dramatic increase in duck populations in the mid-1990s. These birds were using CRP lands in the Dakotas. WRP has been a tremendous program for farmers in the south. In the last Farm Bill, AR, MS, LA, and MO enrolled 406,000 acres or 38% of the WRP acreage in the United States. Marginal agricultural lands were restored to forested wetlands or moist-soul habitats. Simply put, more WRP means more benefits for waterfowl.

DU’s position on the 2002 Farm Bill was focused on achieving the 4 priorities mentioned above. None of our actions were ever intended to hurt farmers or other landowners. Farmers and private landowners are DU’s most important and valued partners.

I guess the bottomline is DU never proposed to move funding away from commodity payments.

Copen, if you've got questions regarding Ducks Unlimited, how about asking before you post all this insightful knowledge.
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Postby Greenhead22 » Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:16 pm

Spin doctor in da house........ :lol:

Chad you know I'm pickin'............honestly........ :lol:
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Postby Millenium Mallard » Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:18 pm

Chad.....who peed in your wheaties hoss? Yes, DU has done alot of good...but they've put a hurtin' on Joe Blo duckhunter also.....between the Federal refuge system and DU taking all that hard earned money from their members and putting in water control structures on rich members private property from Canada to the coast, ducks have all the opportunity in the world to almost completely hide from the average hunter.....that's a fact hoss.....

Point in fact.....how many projects did DU fund in this state that directly benefits the public duck hunter with hunting opportunity on that project VS. private projects that directly and only affect the owner of such property?

I'd like to know....
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Postby Chad Manlove » Tue Jan 04, 2005 3:54 pm

Millenium Mallard wrote:Chad.....who peed in your wheaties hoss? Yes, DU has done alot of good...but they've put a hurtin' on Joe Blo duckhunter also.....between the Federal refuge system and DU taking all that hard earned money from their members and putting in water control structures on rich members private property from Canada to the coast, ducks have all the opportunity in the world to almost completely hide from the average hunter.....that's a fact hoss.....

Point in fact.....how many projects did DU fund in this state that directly benefits the public duck hunter with hunting opportunity on that project VS. private projects that directly and only affect the owner of such property?

I'd like to know....
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MM,

Let's talk about all that hard earned money that goes into water control structures. First of all, you don't even have to be a DU member to receive assistance. First come, first serve. You apply, then you stand in line for a water control structure....REGARDLESS of PERSONAL FINANCIAL WEALTH. A pipe and WCS costs about $600. DU gets the pipe DONATED. Please read again.....DONATED. No membership dollars involved. The Partners Program between DU, USFWS, Delta Wildlife, and MDWFP pays for water control structure (about $250/each). Landowners pay to have the WCS welded to the pipe, not DU.

This program does not occur from Canada to the coast......Only in Arkansas, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Texas. The Missouri Program was discontinued last year. These projects are hunted. The landowner can lease it or hunt it himself. That's a fact, hoss.

Because of associated costs involved, sheer numbers of projects are skewed to private lands because they hardly cost anything....we're only talking about a $600 structure. Public lands projects cost us $50K, $100K and higher. These involve levees, water control structures, pumps, wells, water delivery system, etc....not inexpensive work. Plenty of public lands projects that are huntable. view this page. http://southern.ducks.org/MSConservationPrograms.php

I am an average hunter. I hunt public lands for most of the season. I do not own land. I do not lease land. Yet, I kill ducks and plenty of them on public lands. When conditions are right (meaning, not 75 stinking degrees), the MS Delta has some of the best hunting anywhere. Try growing up on the east coast....there's no comparison.....MS Flyway hunters have it good!
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