Ole Miss being investigated?

[mossyisland]

I enjoy his post. I think he is well informed fan of Ole Miss.

[davidees]

This is a serious question that I would've been willing to discuss civilly this time last year, regarding MSU.

Do you guys think that the recruitment was completely legit or just that no trouble will come out of it?

I'd like to make it known that I don't think anything will come out of it and that is perfectly OK with me. In all honesty, I applaud your ability to get away with whatever degree of finagling that makes your team better. More power to you, and I'll be jealous when it equates to on-the-field success. However, I will freely admit that I don't believe that your recruitment of these highest profile players passes the "funny look test" and I would freely admit the same if MSU were pulling in such a class.

Very few, if ANY recruitments of blue chip prospects are completely legit.

[stang67]

Most of the time...I would 100% agree with your post...last year for Ole Miss; while I won't say that I believe no doubt 100% everything was legit and nothing broke a rule b/c there are so many minuscule NCAA recruiting "rules" that can be implied...but given the circumstances that fell into Ole Miss lap with connections to some of the top players in the country, I do not believe any major infractions occurred to get that class and it doesn't take much to look at the natural connections Ole Miss had to some of the top players and just how the class came together.

As for Chris Jones, he is at Miss State....I don't give a dang, if something happened or was offered...it didn't work...moving on

Appreciate the opinion. It seems the only difference between you and me (lunatic fringe) is our opinion of the strength of those natural connections. Truthfully, those are minor details.

Obviously, the intense interest some State fans are taking in all this is 100% a product of the belief that UM had a hand in the Redmond situation. Take that away and this is barely a blip on their radar. It's interesting to follow the rumors, to me, but the past baseball season has me not at all concerned with the outcome.

[camlock]

Most of the time...I would 100% agree with your post...last year for Ole Miss; while I won't say that I believe no doubt 100% everything was legit and nothing broke a rule b/c there are so many minuscule NCAA recruiting "rules" that can be implied...but given the circumstances that fell into Ole Miss lap with connections to some of the top players in the country, I do not believe any major infractions occurred to get that class and it doesn't take much to look at the natural connections Ole Miss had to some of the top players and just how the class came together.

As for Chris Jones, he is at Miss State....I don't give a dang, if something happened or was offered...it didn't work...moving on

Appreciate the opinion. It seems the only difference between you and me (lunatic fringe) is our opinion of the strength of those natural connections. Truthfully, those are minor details.

Obviously, the intense interest some State fans are taking in all this is 100% a product of the belief that UM had a hand in the Redmond situation. Take that away and this is barely a blip on their radar. It's interesting to follow the rumors, to me, but the past baseball season has me not at all concerned with the outcome.

OK....you think a family with two sons close in age and two states away is a minor detail in a 4-5 year decision? You think the obvious career development last year that being a part of Ole Miss provided Denzel had NO influence on that family and their son deciding about college???

You think a safety whose grown up 20 miles away with a single mother and grandmother who he is the man of the house is minor detail in a 4-5 year decision and leaving them behind?

You think that a young man's best friend being at a school in the best conference in America, a school that also just hit the scene offensively and a open offense with one of the better WR's in the nation spotlighted and will be highly drafted...AND he's close with another top recruit whose family is heavily involved with said school and is gonna promote receiver big time with the offensive system is all a minor detail?

and primarily....if you think momentum and snowball effect is not applicable, alive and notable in college football recruiting then you don't have a clue about college football recruiting.

[stang67]

I think the degree to which we disagree on the importance of those connections is a minor detail. Not that those factors are minor in choosing a school.

I'm not trying to explain why UM is in trouble or how they CAN'T get good players. I'm simply defending a viewpoint that it is peculiar and that it isn't lunacy to question it. Anyone with any sensibility and an understanding of the Redmond situation can understand MSU fans' interest without calling them lunatics and deranged. Your earlier post shows you have that sensibility.

[mossyisland]

Cam,

You would also have to add, the number one offensive lineman and number one defensive lineman became best friends through the recruiting process. In the end it played a huge factor for Tunsil.

Gholson is the only top recruit that can not be explained other than he said he loved it at Ole Miss on his visit and couldn't imagine playing anywhere else

[RiverDuck]

I have read every post on this thread, and maybe this will end the discussion. ALL of the top tier schools have/do pay players in some form or fashion. If you cant accept that, then maybe you need to put down the koolaid, and step away from the keyboard. Are there people on Ole Miss' roster that have been paid, yes. Are there players on MSU's team that have been paid, yes. Is there a problem with the NCAA, yes.

Boom

[camlock]

I think the degree to which we disagree on the importance of those connections is a minor detail. Not that those factors are minor in choosing a school.

I'm not trying to explain why UM is in trouble or how they CAN'T get good players. I'm simply defending a viewpoint that it is peculiar and that it isn't lunacy to question it. Anyone with any sensibility and an understanding of the Redmond situation can understand MSU fans' interest without calling them lunatics and deranged. Your earlier post shows you have that sensibility.

I don't even know the Redmond story...so I can't or won't comment one way or another.

My only point in chiming in is that I've heard over and over about how Ole Miss must have cheated to get the class they just signed. I completely understand why on spec it's alarming...but it takes about a second to consider the momentum of the program nationally and the connections Ole Miss had to build that class and sit back and realize it didn't take bags of cash, just some momentum to make 18 year olds believe in the program, they got that and more on the field without recruiting...the continuous "sweeping under the rug" or ignoring the facts of how this class came together by those who so desperately want to believe Ole Miss financed the whole class is illogical given the situation.

I'm sure, as in every college town, the pot gets sweetened at times directly or indirectly through the staff and athletic program...but it doesn't seem to have been the foundation of last year's recruiting class. If it was and I'm shocked one day...I hope the ROI is good (ala Cam Newton)

[davidees]

I'm telling you, it's not a matter of whether or not your school is cheating, it's a matter of how well they've covered their tracks. That goes for every team in the major FBS conferences.

[Po Monkey Lounger]

When the politically motivated false narrative in the Zimmerman case fell apart due to actual evidence ( as opposed to emotion based hysteria, rumors and lies) , then the organizers of the witch hunt, to save face, shifted their focus to a general "national conversation" about the very same red herring issues that were not supported by the specific facts of the case, despite great effort from many sources --- primarily racism and "stand your ground".

Here, we have rather specific allegations and rumors of cheating by Ole Miss that turned out to be proven false or for which no credible, provable evidence has been brought forth to support. The sources of the bad information were generally MSU affiliated fanatical lunatics with no credibility. Yet, they were given a public platform by some of the MSU sports websites, and some of the general fan base took it hook, line, and sinker. While gullible and perhaps naive, it is not the general fans who I have labeled as the lunatics ( they very well may be, but I am not calling them such). And now, in order to save face, those who have instigated the bad info and those who have perpetuated the bad info by publicly repeating it, are trying to change the subject to the age old general complaint that " everybody cheats". Sorry, but that is disingenuous and does not get you off the hook of accountability in my book. Your opinion that "everybody cheats" is not proof that Ole Miss has cheated to get any particular recruit. And advocating such nonsense might help you feel better , but it does not help your credibility.

[stang67]

they were given a public platform by some of the MSU sports websites

Which? You refer to many things from MSU sites that I've never heard of.

This is an honest assessment from a pretty impartial person (again, I don't really care, baseball fan here that tends to get bored in August): those who claim to have sources say that things are heavier than ever (some claim to have gotten fresh news today, in fact) AND, on these sites where such rumors are being disseminated, the ONLY ones using the "everyone cheats" meme are UM fans.

Po Monk, what is your contention: that NCAA isn't looking into UM at all? That they cannot uncover any wrongdoing? Or that there is nothing to uncover? Probably due to my lack of reading comprehension, I've been unable to pick out a concise position of yours.

And nice try Riverduck. I'm more hardheaded than that.

[Po Monkey Lounger]

The NCAA is simply doing its job and Ole Miss is not a target.

I have not heard or seen any evidence of cheating by Ole Miss.

[camlock]

Truth is in between...take that to your local lottery ticket retailer.

How bout them Pittsburgh Pirates

[davidees]

they were given a public platform by some of the MSU sports websites

Which? You refer to many things from MSU sites that I've never heard of.

This is an honest assessment from a pretty impartial person (again, I don't really care, baseball fan here that tends to get bored in August): those who claim to have sources say that things are heavier than ever (some claim to have gotten fresh news today, in fact) AND, on these sites where such rumors are being disseminated, the ONLY ones using the "everyone cheats" meme are UM fans.

Po Monk, what is your contention: that NCAA isn't looking into UM at all? That they cannot uncover any wrongdoing? Or that there is nothing to uncover? Probably due to my lack of reading comprehension, I've been unable to pick out a concise position of yours.

And nice try Riverduck. I'm more hardheaded than that.

He's a lawyer....a professional at hiding his stance on the subject. All I'm saying is, anyone who thinks his school is 100% squeaky clean is blind, naive, foolish, or all three.

[davidees]

Truth is in between...take that to your local lottery ticket retailer.

How bout them Pittsburgh Pirates

I'm the biggest Pirate fan in Mississippi right now...anybody but The Redbirds