Hosemann steals six mile lake!

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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby stang67 » Wed Aug 26, 2015 4:42 pm

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stang67 wrote:Don't get too used to it. It's gonna quit working and ask you for money in about a month.



You can purchase about two years' worth of Landglide for what a trespassing ticket costs.

That's all? Leflore Cty has tax maps online, but I didn't see Uncle Dilbert's name anywhere, incidentally.
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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby teul2 » Wed Aug 26, 2015 6:19 pm

stang67 wrote: Leflore Cty has tax maps online, but I didn't see Uncle Dilbert's name anywhere, incidentally.

It would appear that he sold that property after the Hosemann v. Creely case was settled.
And it was under an LLC, not his name.
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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby mossyisland » Wed Aug 26, 2015 7:58 pm

If there is one guy that knows what he is talking about on this subject from this board, it is Po Monk. If Po Monk gets on board with fighting this, I feel sorry for the political types behind this.
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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby deltadukman » Wed Aug 26, 2015 8:47 pm

Pro Bono? And I'm not talking Bigwater style.
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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby Wingman » Wed Aug 26, 2015 9:41 pm

meatcutter wrote:
Wingman wrote:The law varies based on location and surroundings?


My apologies for not wording that better. What I meant by that was certain places have certain rules and regulations and each area may or may not have the same rules as the other. Some places you can get out of the boat, touch the ground, etc., others you can't even access the water even though they are part of the public waterway. It's a big grey area for sure because most of us don't know exactly what rules are applied where (especially at 6 mile). I really wish those in charge would clear things like this up for us.



I'm not trying to be rude, but the law is the same for every public waterbody in the state.
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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby arduckslayer » Thu Aug 27, 2015 6:21 am

Wingman wrote:
stang67 wrote:Don't get too used to it. It's gonna quit working and ask you for money in about a month.



You can purchase about two years' worth of Landglide for what a trespassing ticket costs.

Don't get real picky on being right on the line on the map. Some of those property lines are off a little bit, by 50-100 feet or so on the ones that I know where the survey stakes are.

It's not 100% up to date either, and I'm not just talking about recent sales. I have owned my house for almost 3 years and the previous owners were there 5, but it still shows the owner before them. I know of some tracks of land throughout Montgomery County that are the same way. It may show who owned it 10 years ago.
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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby REBEL DUCK » Thu Aug 27, 2015 7:46 am

Land glide is way out of date. It's a good tool but don't bet the farm on it.
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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby deltadukman » Thu Aug 27, 2015 8:39 am

I bet if you were getting a ticket, they wouldnt let you use landglide to get out of it :wink:
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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby davidees » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:58 am

Well it's already answered the two questions I've been wanting an answer to, so it's served its purpose. Thanks Wingman.
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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby Wingman » Thu Aug 27, 2015 1:32 pm

Yes, many of the property owner names are old. I use it mainly to get a general idea of where the property line is.
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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby rjohnson » Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:31 am

You guys need to read the information on the deed of the land to the state. It clearly states that the water over the land is a public waterway. So Hosemann is trying to turn a public waterway into refuge thus effectively cutting off access to the north end of the lake. So overall it appears the public will lose access to almost 3/4 of the public lake with this deal. I emailed the DEQ head last night, Gary Rikard gary_rikard@deq.state.ms.us, and he called me about 10 minutes later. He was not informed of it turning into a refuge when Hosemann asked him to draw out the banks for the property. He was told it only for tax purposes and for a Nature Conservancy Project. Gary also only drew the lines for the property involved and not the rest of the lake. He said in hindsight it should have gone through the commission and a public hearing to let both the public and landowners state their opinions on the natural banks and the commission draw the lines. He said he felt that the MDWFP did not have the authority to make it a sanctuary and if they did not he would rescind his opinion on where the natural banks were. If the MDWFP cannot make it a sanctuary the land goes back to the original owners. So there was no public hearing for this project at all. I started going through campaign contributors for Hosemann last night but you have to look at a crap ton of individual PDFs to get everyone's name. I would be willing to bet these two landowners as well as some others on the north end of the lake were contributors but no proof yet and likely hard to prove as they can funnel it through other people easily. Conspiracy aside if the state is able to take private land as a gift and use it to close off this public waterway what is to stop them from using this precedent to effectively cut off access to many other public lakes to benefit private landowners, friends, campaign contributors, etc??? This is a dangerous precedent! Even if the whole project including the weirs opens up more public land than this takes away giving the government a precedent like this is powerful for them and dangerous for us the public. Honestly I'm concerned everyone isn't scared to death of what might be happening.

And props to the Gary Rikard! There are not many Executive Directors of state agencies that will take the time to actually call concerned citizens back. He restored a little faith in our public servants.
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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby 420 racin » Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:41 am

My question is how can one guy, Gary, "draw" the natural banks of the lake/river/stream etc.... whereever he wants? How can you just "redraw" the banks? Isn't that a geomorphic position? Alot of people don't know the difference between the old natural banks of a river/lake and the old natural channel of the river/lake. The bank is the bank is the bank...you can't just redraw the damn thing to your likeing....can you??
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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby rjohnson » Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:57 am

420 racin wrote:My question is how can one guy, Gary, "draw" the natural banks of the lake/river/stream etc.... whereever he wants? How can you just "redraw" the banks? Isn't that a geomorphic position? Alot of people don't know the difference between the old natural banks of a river/lake and the old natural channel of the river/lake. The bank is the bank is the bank...you can't just redraw the damn thing to your likeing....can you??


Apparently you can but he said from now on it would go through the commission and have public input. He said that would have happened had he known the actual intent instead of what he was told. He won't do it again from what I gathered during our conversation.
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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby teul2 » Tue Sep 01, 2015 11:57 am

rjohnson wrote:
420 racin wrote:My question is how can one guy, Gary, "draw" the natural banks of the lake/river/stream etc.... whereever he wants? How can you just "redraw" the banks? Isn't that a geomorphic position? Alot of people don't know the difference between the old natural banks of a river/lake and the old natural channel of the river/lake. The bank is the bank is the bank...you can't just redraw the damn thing to your likeing....can you??


Apparently you can but he said from now on it would go through the commission and have public input. He said that would have happened had he known the actual intent instead of what he was told. He won't do it again from what I gathered during our conversation.

I talked to him as well. He seemed like he knew doing that for Dilbert was a mistake, and really wanted to distance him self from it. I think he is ashamed he is part of this.
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Re: WHAT A CROCK

Postby hntrpat1 » Tue Sep 01, 2015 1:22 pm

Wingman wrote:Yes, many of the property owner names are old. I use it mainly to get a general idea of where the property line is.

This just cleared a lot for me THANK YOU

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