What do y'all think of Trump?

[Wildfowler]

Remember the first rule politics. Look at what politicians actually do, not what they say they will do.

Socialism.

Oh sure, it’s great for the socialist countries out there to impose socialism on their people.

But when asked to participate in a socialist program themselves like NATO, socialism must really not be all it’s cracked up to be? Remember to look at what politicians and world leaders do. Not what they say they will do.
These people have drug their asses ever since the inception of NATO regarding its funding. In fact, the majority of these countries don’t pay what they agreed to, leaving the US once again holding the bag.

When it comes to socialist countries having to spend their own money instead of someone else’s money, it just must not be any good to do so? That’s what their actions indicate.


I could envision our past leadership spending untold millions/billions of dollars to create programs and committees and action plans, dreaming up ways we can spend more money to try and get the other countries to pick up their slack knowing full well that it will all be wasted effort and money because they will not pick up their slack.

All Trump does is goes in and ruffles a few feathers, acting like an ass and treating these socialist leader disrespectfully according to the media. But he actually gets favorable results and it didn’t cost us a damn thing.

It only required having a straight to the point dialog with these leaders. It seems that governments always go to great extreme to avoid taking the simplest path....

[davidees]

Distilling ain’t that hard, just takes practice, like anything else...and a little copper and/or stainless steel and lead free solder...a hydrometer is very helpful as well. I used to make very smooth, high Proof liquor from all grain sweet feed

[YoBenny]

Wildfowler which countries by name are you claiming are running a socialist government?
List them please.

I have been around some shine in my day from old men, I have drank some fine shine too.
I had some about a year ago south of Vicksburg in the hills that was excellent.

Whiskey and burnt wood and barrels is an art form in and of itself, I really wanted to barrel up some and just leave it for a couple decades but I am out of time for that kind of fun.
Many many people say makin shine gets into your bones, really quick. I can see that. Being a gumbo purist who has made the crap about 3,000 times I know what under your skin is about.

I still would like to make some, it's chemistry that delivers a buzz, what could be more addictive than that?

[YoBenny]

I once found an old still in the woods outside of Grenada on Tippo creek. There was almost no metal left, but there were piles of old hand blown glass jugs laying there with the old swig ring and everything. Slightly blue in color, they were just cool as could be. Had to be from prohibition.

[Wildfowler]

You’re not my supervisor. Go do your own research.

[YoBenny]

Well, if you are going to call NATO countries Socialist and expect to be taken seriously, it would be nice to have some facts to cough up.

As it stands, there are no countries with current communist influences in any way affiliated with NATO.

[Wildfowler]

I can assure you I am trustworthy and you can take what I said as fact.

More importantly I was hoping we could discuss my opinion of how Socialism really ain’t all it’s cracked up to be based on the actions of these member countries. Not what they say. Not their politics. But what they actually “DO”.

Socialism is great as long as you’re spending someone else’s money. The irony in my opinion is that the socialist countries will not actually put their money where their mouth is.

My opinion stands regardless on how many of the countries are socialist. I don’t even know which all countries make up the NATO alliance.

And for the record, I love spending other peoples money.

[YoBenny]

Well, as I just posted from a source, none of NATO is Socialist, not a single country.
So whatever it is that you are seeing in them that you are labeling as socialist must have another description.
In fact, I don't know of a single nation that practices socialism per se, it doesn't work, everybody seems to know that. However certain aspects of all democratic societies that serve the well being of the whole have been labeled socialistic at times, even though they technically arent. But I can't go with you on the socialist label.

[Wildfowler]

Come on?

What I’m referring to is the fact that those member nations tax their citizens much higher than we are taxed here in the US to provide for more cradle to grave social services than we have here.

Yet at the same time when they are part of a social structure such as NATO they fall short on their contributions.

And I find it very ironic that the same countries are set up to take so much from their tax payers and when called upon to be a taxpayer in the collective group they are unwilling.

[YoBenny]

Welp first thing is I don't get how or why you are trying to tie foreign taxes and Nato expenditures together and somehow come out calling these countries socialist. Most of those countries have single payer health care and every single one of them is much much much cheaper to get medical care by paying taxes to a government that isn't as screwed up and corrupt as this one is. So don't say socialized structure systems dont work within capitalism and democratic systems because that is just plain wrong, they do work, and they work well. Just not in this country because the govt is so freak corrupt that all the money disappears into pockets of the ultra rich.
The second thing is America does put more into NATO than other countries, but Trump is misleading when he implies how much and he always has been. You can read more about his lies here.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter ... -nato-bud/

The third thing is the USA spends so much more money on military than any other country that what ends up happening is hundreds of billions of dollars disappear into thin air without a receipt or paper trail as to where they went, currently there is over $1.4 trillion that cannot be accounted for. If Trump really wanted some justice in the defense budget he would stop playing around with that piddling little amount those countries contribute and attack his billionaire buddies who rob Americans with the military budget. That is WAY more money than this NATO thing - WAY MORE
But instead, Trump wants "space force" another bottomless pit to pour trillions into and make them even richer.
I agree our military spending is in the stratosphere and highly abusive of tax dollars but it sure as hell isn't NATO's fault, it's corruption in our own government. This is why I say now and will probably always say that Trump is nothing but a stump man for those who steal tax dollars via government channels and charge tax payers $725 for a hammer, $1,200 for a toilet seat, etc, etc etc. We need our government to run like Wal Mart does - extremely efficient. That does not mean privatizing everything which is nothing more than doling out contracts to people who will do the same thing they do now - rip us all off big time. And at the same time the GOP is busy chopping away at Veteran assistance and care, thank you for your service, now hit the street corner buddy. It is just pathetic.

[YoBenny]

Here is something else that just chaps my butt to the lower intestine. Big Pharma has 12% of this country addicted to opiates, costing thousands of lives, disrupting millions or even billions of dollars in productivity for the country, ruining the lives of the addicts and the people who love and try to care for their loved ones, and supporting a multi billion dollar rehab industry that basically is 18% effective. Meanwhile pharmaceutical CEO's are in the billion dollar brackets, not millions, billions. You think that doesn't affect you? Where do you think they get the opium to make all that addictive crap? Afghanistan. Who is over there, spending your tax money in the billions, protecting their profits?
Guess who buddy.....

[YoBenny]

If you think that governments addicting people to drugs for profit is some new thing, you are wrong.
Google Englands war with China, which was fought to stop the British from importing opium into china causing problems so massive that they went to war over it. (during imperialism height)
The really sick thing about America's current opiate addiction is unlike England, who shipped their dope to other places and infected other people with their wares, Americans addicted their own people, used the medical industry to do it, turned billions of dollars in profits and used our military to protect their product production.
They preyed on their own people with addictive drugs and used legal avenues to do it.
All at a cost that disappeared into the black hole of over a trillion dollars in Pentagon spending with no receipt, no paper, no nothing.
And my friend Jeff Sessions the Attorney General of the United States of America actually got behind a podium and publicly said;

"GOOD PEOPLE DON'T SMOKE MARIJUANA"

The attorney general of the United States of America actually said that. In public, as a direct display of Americas intentions. While your tax dollars get spent to keep people addicted to opiates legally moves along without opposition.

You can't make this $#!+ up...........

[davidees]

Taxation is theft

[YoBenny]

https://flagtheory.com/tax-free-countries/

[lilwhitelie]