Katrina on Nat Geo Channel

[Seymore]

The levees failing is what did NOLA in not Katrina. The city actually survived the hurricane it wasn't until some hours after the hurrcane had passed that the levee system failed. I've read it blamed on the levee board and then blamed on the Corps of Engineers. I think it was a combination of both the corruption and the Corps not sticking to its guns in building the levees. Unfortunately, I don't think anything has been fixed and if another hurricane were to happen I'm afraid the same thing would happen.

I've also read various articles where the government had discussed what to do with NOLA if a disaster like this were to happen. The port in necessary but a city built below sea level is absurd. One plan that was brain stormed was to just bull doze it and turn it into a green community of say 50,000 people to support the port.

I don't know about all the figures being tossed around about the numbers that died. I do know that several cities were kinds of pizzed at the population increases in their cities with demographics they didn't want. Crime, welfare, and a general drain on their services resulted from the mass exodus. I don't know that cities will be as willing to take evacuees were it to happen again.

[farmerc83]

On what Seymore said, numbers from Wikipedia...so some possibly close numbers.

"In Texas, where more than 300,000 refugees were located, local officials ran 20,000 criminal background checks on the refugees, as well as on the relief workers helping them and people who opened up their homes. The background checks found that 45% of the refugees had a criminal record of some nature, and that 22% had a violent criminal record.[90] The number of homicides in Houston from September 2005 through February 22, 2006 went up by 23% relative to the same period a year before; 29 of the 170 murders involved displaced Louisianans as victims or suspects.[91]"


Doubt Houston will be begging to give aid if this ever happens again.

[quackquack33]

Here is my 2 cents..... People knew Katrina was going to be one h*** of a storm weeks before it hit land. They had the choice to flee or stay. When you decide to take a gamble and "wait out" the storm, you are automatically putting your life in danger. It is pure ignorance to scream and beg for someone to help when it could have been avoided for most part. As for media coverage, ITS A JOKE. Never really saw much about waveland or bay st. louis on PRIME TIME news. But ask yourself, if an F4 or F5 tornado is coming towards your house, are you gonna stay in it?

[GulfCoast]

My wife's job required her to stay for hurricanes. So, thus I stayed, too. Ended up with water up to my chest, even though I had evacuated 6 miles off the Coast. We forgot the rivers would get out, too. Just call me a democratic lazy dumbazz.....

[msbigdawg1234]

Hey democratic lazy dumbazz give me a call lost ya number....6012189501

[mudsucker]

well my logic is correct there mudsucker. before katrina the fbi did an undercover opperation called operation fellon. there was an estimated 30,000 + fleeing fellons living in new orleans under no identification. most where living in the 9th ward. after katrina, the pumps that pumped the waters out of the 9th ward area was plugged with bodies that were mostly not identified. i dont know what the final count was but at one time it was 17,000. those bodies that are not identified do not go against the total death toll. more or less never mentioned again. disposed of in mass and forgotten. so.... by my math thats a pretty good cleaning of a city. one more time and new orleans might be a pretty decent place to go to.

I am not defending the dumb arses that stayed when they could have got out, I am saying it is absurd to say that a city or region "deserved it"! Bodies plugging the pumps can not even happen! I know for a fact about the trash catchers and the automatic rakes that are attachted to them to clear debris. Once pump house flooded, no pumps any way! Water an elec., weather it be AC or, in the case of most pumps of that size,DC power. I visited the 17th. St. pumping station on the canal between 'Nawlins and Metairie when my father was working for T.L.James and Co. that had the contract during the upgrading of the canal and station. The pumps they had there were,at the time and may still be, the largest in the world used for the purpose of unwatering a city. Think Holland when you think about them because they use them for that purpose and are the ones who built the pumps. They run throught a series of rectifiers to provide DC current so as to be able to slowly bring pumps up to desired speed for ammount of rain etc. that N.O. gets on a given day. We use the same thing here on our dredge boat but our impellers are only 8' in dia. as compared to, I want to say, 34' on the 17th. st. pumping station! I'll try to look it up or call the old man and see if he remembers. He lives in Jefferson Parish. Hope they are not sched. for the next flushing!

[Seymore]

My wife's job required her to stay for hurricanes. So, thus I stayed, too. Ended up with water up to my chest, even though I had evacuated 6 miles off the Coast. We forgot the rivers would get out, too. Just call me a democratic lazy dumbazz.....

My Dad had to stay. He was operating in the dark on some dumb booty who decided to go looking around during the worst of the hurricane and ended up cutting his leg half off on a stop sign. He told me he'd probably get sued for operating in the dark but the back up power failed and it was that or the guy lost his leg. They rode the storm out in Gulfport while the family house in Bay St. Louis was being destroyed. Didn't know whether they were alive for several days and decided to post on the newspaper web site. A nurse went in the OR and told him I was looking for them so he borrowed a satellite phone and called us. I didn't know I was the offspring of a democratic lazy dumbazz either.

Comparing the population of the Mississippi coast to the population of NOLA and how they acted before, during, and after is an apples and oranges sort of deal. I didn't see the mayors of the coast swearing on TV and saying the Feds owed this and that. I also didn't see the citizens saying the same sorts of things the citizens of NOLA were saying. Maybe they did and it just didn't get covered.

[BAY KINGFISHER]

another lazy dumbarse here too!!
go figure my flooded house was at 27' above sea level!!

[qckmstr]

My sources come from a former N O police officer and FBI investigator who is now a US marshal who are brothers, and a former "big wig" with FEMA who is no longer living in the U.S. ( For some reason moved to honduras??) The brothers told me the story oneday when I ran into them at church which they started attending after all this happened. I could go on to tell you folks the whole story but believe it or not there are some parts of it that I'd rather spread. It was told for the truth, the grown man cried his eyes out while telling parts of it so you go figure. You can critisize my opinion if you want, none of you mean anything to me, but fact is that's a part of katrina that not many will ever know about. I don't understands you left wing folks standing around with you hand out and looking to blame someone/ government? I say. Get up off your lazy a s s. Do some work provide for you and your family and wake up... It aint the governments fault a hurricane hit your city, which is BELOW sea level, and it got flooded. You knew the hazards. Aint the governments fault you didn't have a flood insurance policy. It's your responsibility to insure YOUR stuff!!! The government owes you NOTHING.

[mudsucker]

I can show you a picture of the barge that broke loose of it's mooring and struck the floodwall that was atop the levee on the Lower 9th. Ward side of the Industrial Canal that seperates the 9th. ward of the city. I took it about two weeks after the flood. Is the ACOE to blame for the barge owned by a private concern? I thunk if not for that, the Lower 9 would have made it without flooding.